Manny suspended 50 games

[vegascub]

She wrote a baseball book? Good for her. I bet it sucks. But good for her.

[Clapp]

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Yeah it was released a few weeks ago. She's pretty much the coolest chick imaginable.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=36168:date=May 7 2009, 02:55 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ May 7 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think Gad may have been done already. He has had a tough time ever since the playoffs last year. He still checks in every now and then and is in an soi fantasy baseball league, but that's about it. I think destineds previous Dodger comments were about the last straw for him. I think he realizes it's a Cubs site and doesn't really see how he fits in. I know he really likes most people here though so who knows. Maybe he will be back.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel like quite the asshole now. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]
I didn't mean it personally or anything. I feel guilty.

[Fella]

<!--quoteo(post=36184:date=May 7 2009, 05:36 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ May 7 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36168:date=May 7 2009, 02:55 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ May 7 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think Gad may have been done already. He has had a tough time ever since the playoffs last year. He still checks in every now and then and is in an soi fantasy baseball league, but that's about it. I think destineds previous Dodger comments were about the last straw for him. I think he realizes it's a Cubs site and doesn't really see how he fits in. I know he really likes most people here though so who knows. Maybe he will be back.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel like quite the asshole now. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]
I didn't mean it personally or anything. I feel guilty.
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I don't think he was pissed off or anything, he was just already having a hard time making a strong connection because of all the Dodger talk since last season and just because of the fact he isn't a Cubs fan like the rest of us so the Dodger comments got under his skin a little.

It wasn't a "fuck this I'm leaving" thing at all. I just think his interest gradually faded a bit since he roots for another team.

[BigBoy]

<!--quoteo(post=36135:date=May 7 2009, 02:31 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ May 7 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36134:date=May 7 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 7 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36118:date=May 7 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ May 7 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36115:date=May 7 2009, 01:01 PM:name=FrischsBigBoy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 7 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Pujols is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I doubt it. He may actually be one of those hitters that comes along once an ERA that is just THAT gifted.
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I don't' know about that anymore. It's funny because like a few days ago, Fella and I were saying how incredible Manny and Pujols are in this era for putting up the numbers they do and not juicing. Well so much for that, with Manny at least. And Pujols... dude's a physical specimen. He was a community college player that nobody wanted in 1999. In 2001, he's hitting .330/30/100 and hasn't stopped. Yeah he worked hard and improved as a hitter, but that's quite a ridiculous jump. I have my doubts. I think he's really 32 as well.
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I've always suspected Pujols of juicing. This, while not directly related to Pujols, makes me even more suspicious. Somehow he's getting away with it, but I pray that he gets busted soon.
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I have this weird premonition that Larussa is behind all of this shit! First Canseco and McGwire now Pujols. I know, I know it’s a stretch, but maybe not as far as one might assume.

[Ace]

I would take all of the woman pregnancy hormone out of Manny's body using a straw if it meant Gad would come back...

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=36327:date=May 8 2009, 02:22 AM:name=FrischsBigBoy)-->QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 8 2009, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36135:date=May 7 2009, 02:31 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 7 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36134:date=May 7 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 7 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36118:date=May 7 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ May 7 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36115:date=May 7 2009, 01:01 PM:name=FrischsBigBoy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 7 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Pujols is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I doubt it. He may actually be one of those hitters that comes along once an ERA that is just THAT gifted.
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I don't' know about that anymore. It's funny because like a few days ago, Fella and I were saying how incredible Manny and Pujols are in this era for putting up the numbers they do and not juicing. Well so much for that, with Manny at least. And Pujols... dude's a physical specimen. He was a community college player that nobody wanted in 1999. In 2001, he's hitting .330/30/100 and hasn't stopped. Yeah he worked hard and improved as a hitter, but that's quite a ridiculous jump. I have my doubts. I think he's really 32 as well.
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I've always suspected Pujols of juicing. This, while not directly related to Pujols, makes me even more suspicious. Somehow he's getting away with it, but I pray that he gets busted soon.
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I have this weird premonition that Larussa is behind all of this shit! First Canseco and McGwire now Pujols. I know, I know it’s a stretch, but maybe not as far as one might assume.
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I think LaRussa does eveything but actually supply the drugs.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=36327:date=May 8 2009, 02:22 AM:name=FrischsBigBoy)-->QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 8 2009, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36135:date=May 7 2009, 02:31 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 7 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36134:date=May 7 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 7 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36118:date=May 7 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ May 7 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36115:date=May 7 2009, 01:01 PM:name=FrischsBigBoy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 7 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Pujols is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I doubt it. He may actually be one of those hitters that comes along once an ERA that is just THAT gifted.
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I don't' know about that anymore. It's funny because like a few days ago, Fella and I were saying how incredible Manny and Pujols are in this era for putting up the numbers they do and not juicing. Well so much for that, with Manny at least. And Pujols... dude's a physical specimen. He was a community college player that nobody wanted in 1999. In 2001, he's hitting .330/30/100 and hasn't stopped. Yeah he worked hard and improved as a hitter, but that's quite a ridiculous jump. I have my doubts. I think he's really 32 as well.
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I've always suspected Pujols of juicing. This, while not directly related to Pujols, makes me even more suspicious. Somehow he's getting away with it, but I pray that he gets busted soon.
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I have this weird premonition that Larussa is behind all of this shit! First Canseco and McGwire now Pujols. I know, I know it’s a stretch, but maybe not as far as one might assume.
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i made similar point in the other thread. larussa has always been around suspected users.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=36341:date=May 8 2009, 07:54 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ May 8 2009, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36327:date=May 8 2009, 02:22 AM:name=FrischsBigBoy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 8 2009, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36135:date=May 7 2009, 02:31 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 7 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36134:date=May 7 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ May 7 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36118:date=May 7 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ May 7 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=36115:date=May 7 2009, 01:01 PM:name=FrischsBigBoy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrischsBigBoy @ May 7 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Pujols is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I doubt it. He may actually be one of those hitters that comes along once an ERA that is just THAT gifted.
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I don't' know about that anymore. It's funny because like a few days ago, Fella and I were saying how incredible Manny and Pujols are in this era for putting up the numbers they do and not juicing. Well so much for that, with Manny at least. And Pujols... dude's a physical specimen. He was a community college player that nobody wanted in 1999. In 2001, he's hitting .330/30/100 and hasn't stopped. Yeah he worked hard and improved as a hitter, but that's quite a ridiculous jump. I have my doubts. I think he's really 32 as well.
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I've always suspected Pujols of juicing. This, while not directly related to Pujols, makes me even more suspicious. Somehow he's getting away with it, but I pray that he gets busted soon.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have this weird premonition that Larussa is behind all of this shit! First Canseco and McGwire now Pujols. I know, I know it’s a stretch, but maybe not as far as one might assume.
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I think LaRussa does eveything but actually supply the drugs.
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shit, i made that point too. i swear i made that post before i read this thread.

[jeffy]

<!--quoteo(post=36330:date=May 8 2009, 06:50 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ May 8 2009, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would take all of the woman pregnancy hormone out of Manny's body using a straw if it meant Gad would come back...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

His profile says he was just here a few days ago, so there's a good chance you'll see him again, though it sounds like he's not as active as he used to be, but I can understand how it might be hard. I don't know how well we would fit in at a Dodgers forum, but I think the fact that we want him here is a testament to how nice this place is.

[Coach]

Bill Simmons take on the 2004 Red Sox

[Coach]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--><!--sizeo:4--><!--/sizeo-->Merloni tells of PED advice from doctor<!--sizec--><!--/sizec-->
<!--sizeo:2--><!--/sizeo-->Former player recalls meeting detailing benefits of using<!--sizec--><!--/sizec-->

By Doug Miller / MLB.com

05/11/09 1:45 AM ET

Former Red Sox utility man Lou Merloni said Saturday on Comcast's "The Baseball Show" that he remembered a Spring Training meeting in which a doctor explained to players how to use steroids intelligently and without abuse, according to multiple reports.

Merloni's exact quotes, according to The Boston Globe, were: "I'm in Spring Training, and I got an 8:30-9:00 meeting in the morning. I walk into that office, and this happened while I was with the Boston Red Sox before this last regime, I'm sitting in the meeting. There's a doctor up there and he's talking about steroids, and everyone was like, 'Here we go, we're going to sit here and get the whole thing -- they're bad for you.'

"No. He spins it and says, 'You know what? If you take steroids and sit on the couch all winter long, you can actually get stronger than someone who works out clean. If you're going to take steroids, one cycle won't hurt you; abusing steroids it will.'

"He sat there for one hour and told us how to properly use steroids while I'm with the Boston Red Sox, sitting there with the rest of the organization, and after this I said, 'What the heck was that?' And everybody on the team was like, 'What was that?' And the response we got was, 'Well, we know guys are taking it, so we want to make sure they're taking it the right way.' ... Where did that come from? That didn't come from the Players Association."

On Sunday, Merloni slightly clarified his statements in an interview with The Globe, saying that neither the doctor nor anyone associated with the Red Sox encouraged steroid use, but he did say the team probably was aware that some of its players were using steroids.

"It was like teaching your teenage daughter about sex education," Merloni told the newspaper. "The organization acknowledged that there were likely players using steroids, and basically, 'If you're going to use them, this is how you use them so you don't abuse them.'"

Merloni, who was in the Red Sox's Minor League system in 1996 and '97 and played for the big league team from 1998-2002, said he couldn't remember the doctor's name or when the meeting took place, but he did say that a former athletic trainer told him that the Red Sox were aware that players were using.

Boston's general manager during Merloni's Red Sox tenure, Dan Duquette, responded angrily to Merloni's claims, according to The Globe.

"It's ridiculous -- it's totally unfounded," Duquette said. "Who was the doctor? Tell me who the doctor is. If there was such a doctor, he wasn't in the employ of the Red Sox. We brought in doctors to educate the players on the Major League drug policy at the time at the recommendation of Major League Baseball. This is so ridiculous, I hate to even respond to it."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Andy]

Since Canseco, I'll believe the player snitch over anyone baseball every time. Lou is telling the truth.

[MrSheps]

Maybe celebrating Manny too much brought the Karma that destroyed Aram's shoulder. I'm just hoping he makes it back before Manny does.

[alpha]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Ramirez saga, as described by three sources with direct knowledge of the case, began to play out in spring training when the 36-year-old outfielder provided a urine sample for testing.

The test came back showing elevated levels of testosterone. Every individual naturally produces testosterone and a substance called epitestosterone, typically at a ratio of 1:1. In Major League Baseball, if the ratio comes in at 4:1 during testing, a player is flagged. In Ramirez's case, his ratio was between 4:1 and 10:1, according to one source.

Ramirez and his representatives were prepared to appeal the synthetic testosterone results, intending to argue he had taken a steroid precursor known as DHEA, according to two sources. The drug is akin to the now-banned substance famously known as Andro, but it is not on baseball's banned list.

Baseball had geared up to dispute the argument, and a Ramirez appeal was scheduled for last Wednesday. MLB's legal team intended to use expert testimony to cite evidence it believed showed DHEA could not have been the cause of the synthetic testosterone.

However, in the days before the hearing, the union turned over Ramirez's medical records -- and they turned out to be a boon for MLB.

Within the records was a prescription written for the drug human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) -- No. 55 on the list of banned performance-enhancing substances in the policy. The drug is mainly used for female fertility issues, but it is best known among male steroid users as a substance that can help kick-start the body's production of natural testosterone, which is stymied when using synthetic testosterone (aka steroids).

The synthetic testosterone in Ramirez's body could not have come from the hCG, according to doping experts, and so suddenly Ramirez had two drugs to answer for. Worse still for the ballplayer, MLB now had a document showing he had been prescribed a banned substance. This was iron-clad evidence that could secure a 50-game suspension.

And so, in the hours before the appeal was scheduled to proceed, Ramirez notified MLB that he would accept the 50 games and drop his planned legal fight.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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