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<!--quoteo(post=48762:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:53 PM:name=cherp)-->QUOTE (cherp @ Jul 8 2009, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I can't see the Jays trading away a MI who is under control for 5 years after this at an average of 7mm per for cheap. In fact, he may cost nearly as much as Halladay. Justin Jackson is still a few years away. Scutaro is meh...McDonald is worse.
I can see Toronto selling high on Halladay if they don't believe they will sign him to a 5/75 deal when this one is up. I can't see them trading Hill.
Even if they were - I would take a true #1 ACE over a 2B every day of the week.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, I totally agree. I know the Cubbies wont get either. I was just speaking hypothetically.
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Any time you can add a real ace in his prime you do it. You can always find someone to fill in at a middle IF position and do an admirable job. Aces are hard to come by and they win you championships.
Halladay, and it isn't even close for me.
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<!--quoteo(post=48758:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:31 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48754:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is this a serious question ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's a good question.
Do you take the better player, or do you take the player that will help fill a specific (more pressing) need?
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Well, to answer your question, what do smart teams do in the draft, when faced with that exact dilemma?
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<!--quoteo(post=48739:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:01 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48732:date=Jul 8 2009, 11:48 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 8 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48720:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:24 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Mark me down for Roy. He's a top 5 pitcher in baseball and a true ace. Zambrano is almost there, but we don't really have a guy like Halladay.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
almost where?
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He's almost a "true ace." But he isn't quite there.
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I disagree. I do not think that Z is even close to being a true ace.
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And BTW, since when is having a top-of-the-rotation starter not considered a "need."
Hill is a guy who hit 2 homers last year. Halladay is, arguably, the best pitcher on planet Earth.
Yeah, I can see see Hendry's eyes lighting up at the notion of adding yet another 2nd baseman to his absurdly long list of fellows he's tried out at that position.
But come on.
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<!--quoteo(post=48780:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:44 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 8 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48758:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:31 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48754:date=Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is this a serious question ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's a good question.
Do you take the better player, or do you take the player that will help fill a specific (more pressing) need?
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Well, to answer your question, what do smart teams do in the draft, when faced with that exact dilemma?
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Totally different. In the draft you can't draft on need because no one knows what the actual need of the team will be by the time the draftees are headed to the big leagues (if they ever even do). Aaron Hill would be able to come in right away and be a productive player in a position that has been brutal this year for the Cubs. This isn't a clear cut question at all.
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Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?
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<!--quoteo(post=48789:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not nearly enough.
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<!--quoteo(post=48790:date=Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48789:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not nearly enough.
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I believe Olney said if the Blue Jays are going to deal him they want a team's top two prospects, including a potential future ace. I think he also said they want 4-6 players, but I'm not sure about that. So you are correct, that might not even get Halladay, let alone both of them.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
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<!--quoteo(post=48792:date=Jul 8 2009, 03:13 PM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Jul 8 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48790:date=Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48789:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not nearly enough.
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I believe Olney said if the Blue Jays are going to deal him they want a team's top two prospects, including a potential future ace. I think he also said they want 4-6 players, but I'm not sure about that. So you are correct, that might not even get Halladay, let alone both of them.
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Yeah, that was just my starting point. I heard Buster say he thought it would take 5 guys including an ace-type prospect to get just Doc. Who else would you be willing to part with?
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<!--quoteo(post=48794:date=Jul 8 2009, 02:15 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48792:date=Jul 8 2009, 03:13 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jul 8 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48790:date=Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 8 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=48789:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not nearly enough.
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I believe Olney said if the Blue Jays are going to deal him they want a team's top two prospects, including a potential future ace. I think he also said they want 4-6 players, but I'm not sure about that. So you are correct, that might not even get Halladay, let alone both of them.
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Yeah, that was just my starting point. I heard Buster say he thought it would take 5 guys including an ace-type prospect to get just Doc. Who else would you be willing to part with?
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I don't think I'd be willing to part with even that. As much as I love Halladay, I don't see the reason to deplete the farm system when there are other potential holes, and possibly create new ones.
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Can I say neither? They would both either get hurt or start sucking.
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I just read Ace's article on his website about Halladay. Well-written, I must say, and kind of convinced me that we don't really need Halladay. We'd likely have to deplete the farm system to get him, and we already have a pretty solid starting five.
Plus, we'd be fighting other teams (like the Phillies and Yankees) who legitimately NEED a guy like that, so we'd have to pony up even more.
Obviously it'd be different if we were running away with the division, and were planning to avoid another playoff disaster; in that case, having a shut-down ace who can start 2 games in a 5-game series would be <i>huge</i>. But as of right now, what we need is to get healthy and score some mofoing runs.
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<!--quoteo(post=48789:date=Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 8 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Since we're responding to absurd hypotheticals today why not put a package together to get them both. What would it take?
Vitters, Wells, Font, Shark?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If that was all it would cost...
AND IF Jeff S waived his NTC...
And if the salary space would be open to pay him...
Then Jim would jump all over this - and he'd probably toss in Ricciardi's choice of any other two kids available in the farm.
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Aaron Hill is batting .221 in his last 33 games
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy
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