I saw the argument in the game thread....

[Butcher]

How the fuck was I "pwned" by anyone?

I have shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt that:

- Lou had other, better options.
- the suicide squeeze, that is already a high-risk play, was even riskier given the current situation
- even in a situation-neutral scenario, swinging away is a lower risk choice

Lou, at the very least, overmanaged the shit out of that play -- that's as much as I'm willing to concede.

[Butcher]

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So you agree with me then?
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Dang. You're too quick. I felt bad about calling you a douchebag, so I deleted that post. Maybe I should have left it...

[veryzer]

this is how i sum up the play: lou called for a suicide squeeze. had fontenot executed it, it would have worked and the cubs would have won. so how can it be retarded? if fontenot lays the bunt down, the cubs win. the play would have worked had it been done right. therefore, the call wasn't retarded, the execution of the call was retarded. it was a good call. was it the best call? maybe, maybe not. but the play is predicated on the element of surprise and to that end it worked perfectly because no one saw it coming. fontenot is a retard, not lou.

i'm done with this now.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=53640:date=Jul 30 2009, 11:10 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 30 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->this is how i sum up the play: lou called for a suicide squeeze. had fontenot executed it, it would have worked and the cubs would have won. so how can it be retarded? if fontenot lays the bunt down, the cubs win. the play would have worked had it been done right. therefore, the call wasn't retarded, the execution of the call was retarded. it was a good call. was it the best call? maybe, maybe not. but the play is predicated on the element of surprise and to that end it worked perfectly because no one saw it coming. fontenot is a retard, not lou.

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You're right -- if Fontenot executed it, the Cubs win. But there's no guarantee that Fontenot doesn't miss (like he did), pop-up into a double-play, hit it right back to the pitcher, or not bunt it far enough away from the catcher. It's a risky play -- that's why they call it a suicide squeeze. Add in the fact that the bases are loaded (man, I'm getting tired of typing the same shit over and over), Fontenot bats LH, Valverde was extremely wild, and Fontenot doesn't bunt all that often, and it becomes even riskier.

You know what else would have surprised the Astros? If Lou went to the plate himself, swinging for the fences. But if Lou executed it and hit a home run, the Cubs would win (setting aside the fact that Lou can't actually insert himself into the lineup). So, it's up to Lou to drive the ball there.

The safer, smarter play was using Fox. For many reasons. Lou decided to go a different direction. Which was stupid.

I'm done with this now.

[Andy]

I just googled "alyssa milano nude". I'm done now too.

[Coach]

You cant always play by the rules, Butchie.

[Andy]

<!--quoteo(post=53672:date=Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You cant always play by the rules, Butchie.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Didn't people hate Baylor because he lived and died by the rules? Everything was done by the book (of course it was a 1980's book).

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=53672:date=Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You cant always play by the rules, Butchie.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's fine. But pick a better spot to do something unconventional.

Again -- Valverde was all over the place. He had walked the bases loaded. He was very wild. On a suicide squeeze, you are committed to whichever pitch you choose to execute it on -- the runner is off. Yes, Valverde's pitch happened to be a strike, but GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES DURING THAT INNING, it was just as likely to be a foot above Fontenot's head. Why take such an extreme risk when there were better options available?

[jstraw]

Butch wins. All in favor?

[Butcher]

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Aye.

[jstraw]

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Aye.
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Cool, so we're done?

[vitaminB]

I'm not going to read through all this shit, but I think I think two things.

1.) Bravo to Dr. Lou Pinella for his use of the suicide squeeze. A tip of the cap for a job well done. It's refreshing to see such a free-thinker in an age of automatons.
2.) Mr. Bradley it appears did not live up to his part of the bargan. He should have gotten himself into a run-down a followed that up by swallowing a .45 caliber bullet.

Good-day, sir.

[Baron]

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1.) Bravo to Dr. Lou Pinella for his use of the suicide squeeze. A tip of the cap for a job well done. It's refreshing to see such a free-thinker in an age of automatons.
2.) Mr. Bradley it appears did not live up to his part of the bargan. He should have gotten himself into a run-down a followed that up by swallowing a .45 caliber bullet.

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