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The Phillies are not getting Roy Halladay. But the pitcher they are getting just happens to be the reigning American League Cy Young award winner. The Phillies have reached agreement on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco from the Indians for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.
The deal, which does not include any cash, is pending a review of medical records. If completed, it will be a coup for both the Phillies and Indians.
The Phillies would get Lee without giving up any of the three players the Blue Jays initially wanted for Halladay — left-hander J.A. Happ, right-hander Kyle Drabek and outfielder Dominic Brown.
Francisco would fill the Phillies' longstanding need for a right-handed hitter off the bench. Lee would give the Phillies four left-handed starters, along with Cole Hamels, J.A. Happ and Jamie Moyer. But Happ or Moyer could go to the bullpen once right-hander Pedro Martinez is ready to pitch in the majors.
The Indians, meanwhile, would get four of the Phillies' top 10 prospects according to Baseball America's pre-season rankings. Carrasco was rated second, Marson third, Donald fourth and Knapp 10th.
Carrasco was scratched from his start for the Class AAA Lehigh IronPigs on Wednesday, and Donald and Marson were not in the lineup. All could be ready for the majors by next season.
Knapp, who does not turn 19 until Aug. 31, is currently sidelined with shoulder stiffness, but one scout says his upside is greater than Drabek's, calling the 6-foot-5, 215-pound righty a "Halladay clone."
Lee won the AL's top pitching honor in 2008, going 22-3 with a 2.54 ERA and 170 strikeouts in 31 starts. He is 7-9 with a 3.14 ERA so far this season.
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I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.
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Seems like the Tribe got a good haul.
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<!--quoteo(post=53124:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the Dodgers land Halliday?
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<!--quoteo(post=53127:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM:name=sleepyhead)-->QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53124:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the Dodgers land Halliday?
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Is that Halladay and Holliday's love child?
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Cliff Lee isnt close to Roy Halladay.
Drabek better be the real deal.
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<!--quoteo(post=53130:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53127:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM:name=sleepyhead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53124:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the Dodgers land Halliday?
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Is that Halladay and Holliday's love child?
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Yes.
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This has to give them the best lefty SP duo of any team in baseball. Scary.
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<!--quoteo(post=53132:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:16 PM:name=sleepyhead)-->QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53130:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53127:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM:name=sleepyhead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53124:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the Dodgers land Halliday?
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Is that Halladay and Holliday's love child?
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Yes.
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In that case, the Dodgers would be the favorites.
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<!--quoteo(post=53135:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:18 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 29 2009, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53132:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:16 PM:name=sleepyhead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53130:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 29 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53127:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM:name=sleepyhead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleepyhead @ Jul 29 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53124:date=Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think this makes the Phillies the favorite to win the pennant again.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the Dodgers land Halliday?
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Is that Halladay and Holliday's love child?
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Yes.
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In that case, the Dodgers would be the favorites.
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I don't think the Dodgers will get him because they would have to give up one of their young position players and one of their young SP. If they do that, they only get marginally better by adding Halladay.
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Whatever the case may be, we can't be counted amongst the NL elite (which consists of two teams at the moment).
Of course, that didn't matter much last season when it came to the playoffs.
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wow, the phillies and cardinals are making moves. must be nice.
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We have nothing to trade, no money to spend, and too many big contracts to bench.
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Lee's ERA is as good as pi.
I hate my pretentious sounding username too.
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