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<!--quoteo(post=53754:date=Jul 30 2009, 01:50 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 30 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe he is smaller this year than in '07. It happened to Pudge.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pudge is in the top 10 of likely steroid users. Top 5, maybe.
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Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.
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<!--quoteo(post=53765:date=Jul 30 2009, 01:59 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 30 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53754:date=Jul 30 2009, 01:50 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 30 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Maybe he is smaller this year than in '07. It happened to Pudge.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pudge is in the top 10 of likely steroid users. Top 5, maybe.
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Yeah...that's kinda where I was going with that.
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<!--quoteo(post=53704:date=Jul 30 2009, 12:43 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 30 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->It'll be interesting to watch the names that continue to get leaked and see if they all are on the "fake list" that came out.
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No, that list isn't gonna even be close. Unless <i>only</i> All Stars, MVPs and Cy Young winners took steroids in 2003. Just going by the names we know of officially, there needs to be a lot more Jim Parques and Manny Alexanders on there than that "list" included.
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<!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean you're saying that a player just doesn't magically get drafted in the middle rounds, out of a no name JC in the Midwest, play one year of MiLB ball, then rattle off 9 straight years of 30 HR 100 RBI for a team coached by Tony LaRussa?
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<!--quoteo(post=53789:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean you're saying that a player just doesn't magically get drafted in the middle rounds, out of a no name JC in the Midwest, play one year of MiLB ball, then rattle off 9 straight years of 30 HR 100 RBI for a team coached by Tony LaRussa?
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That's precisely what I'm saying.
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<!--quoteo(post=53789:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean you're saying that a player just doesn't magically get drafted in the middle rounds, out of a no name JC in the Midwest, play one year of MiLB ball, then rattle off 9 straight years of 30 HR 100 RBI for a team coached by Tony LaRussa?
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It's magically ster-licious!
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<!--quoteo(post=53792:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:11 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53789:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean you're saying that a player just doesn't magically get drafted in the middle rounds, out of a no name JC in the Midwest, play one year of MiLB ball, then rattle off 9 straight years of 30 HR 100 RBI for a team coached by Tony LaRussa?
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That's precisely what I'm saying.
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I have to disagree with you then, it seems logical to me.
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<!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, how is he hiding it, when nobody else seems to be able to hide it these days?
And if he had done it years earlier, but now is off the juice, why is he now having his best season?
Considering his Garvey/Ripken-esque image as the pleasant/good-guy/deeply Christian family man, he'd have a LOT more to lose than other guys. (was anyone surprised when Ortiz was fingered? Many people just laughed off Manny's test results. With Pujols, it'd be a much bigger deal if he was caught).
Canseco had been calling out A-Rod for years before the debacle went down. Has anyone with any credibility called out Pujols?
I hate defending the fuckhead, but he <i>could</i> just be a phenomenal player, like Hank Aaron or something.
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<!--quoteo(post=53802:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, how is he hiding it, when nobody else seems to be able to do that.
And if he had done it years earlier, but now is off the juice, why is he now having his best season?
Considering his Garvey/Ripken-esque image as the pleasant/good-guy/deeply Christian family man, he'd have a LOT more to lose than other guys. (was anyone surprised when Ortiz was fingered? Many people just laughed off Manny's test results. With Pujols, it'd be a much bigger deal if he was caught).
Canseco had been calling out A-Rod for years before the debacle went down. Has anyone with any credibility called out Pujols?
I hate defending the fuckhead, but he <i>could</i> just be a phenomenal player, like Hank Aaron or something.
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because there is no testing for HGH. hope that answers your question.
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<!--quoteo(post=53802:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, how is he hiding it, when nobody else seems to be able to do that.
And if he had done it years earlier, but now is off the juice, why is he now having his best season?
Considering his Garvey/Ripken-esque image as the pleasant/good-guy/deeply Christian family man, he'd have a LOT more to lose than other guys. (was anyone surprised when Ortiz was fingered? Many people just laughed off Manny's test results. With Pujols, it'd be a much bigger deal if he was caught).
Canseco had been calling out A-Rod for years before the debacle went down. Has anyone with any credibility called out Pujols?
I hate defending the fuckhead, but he <i>could</i> just be a phenomenal player, like Hank Aaron or something.
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So...is your head in the sand or are you a Cardinals fan?
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HGH isn't like steroids. The effects are negligble compared to juicing, and some people have questioned if it helps in <i>any</i> way.
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<!--quoteo(post=53802:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 30 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=53766:date=Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 30 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Anyone who thinks Pujols isn't/hasn't juicing/juiced has their head in the sand. Or is a Cardinals fan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, how is he hiding it, when nobody else seems to be able to hide it these days?
And if he had done it years earlier, but now is off the juice, why is he now having his best season?
Considering his Garvey/Ripken-esque image as the pleasant/good-guy/deeply Christian family man, he'd have a LOT more to lose than other guys. (was anyone surprised when Ortiz was fingered? Many people just laughed off Manny's test results. With Pujols, it'd be a much bigger deal if he was caught).
Canseco had been calling out A-Rod for years before the debacle went down. Has anyone with any credibility called out Pujols?
I hate defending the fuckhead, but he <i>could</i> just be a phenomenal player, like Hank Aaron or something.
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How hasn't he got caught? There's oodles of things out there for you to take that aren't detected in piss tests. There could be 100's of people on HGH in the MLB right now and we wouldn't know unless MLB started giving blood tests or they got caught with it in their possession. Just don't take stuff on the list that they test for and you'll be A-OK.
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i've never ever heard that.
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Folks, I hope you're right. Nothing would please me more that a big, juicy 50-game Pujols suspension in the middle of the pennant race. I'd be doing cartwheels.
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