Zambrano

[Coldneck]

If we can add some offense elsewhere, I'd be fine with Blanco at SS. That's a big fucking if though since the only places on our roster that aren't already filled are SS and 2b. Lee might actually bring in a good prospect since he's had one hell of a season. I'd hate to see Soriano play 1B though.

[Coach]

Wow

[Kid]

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Always interesting when someone drives the car off the cliff, survives, and then drives it right into a mountain, isn't it?

[Ace]

I would be fine with dealing Z, as others have said, only if it is part of a two year rebuild. Otherwise, also as others have said, it makes no sense.

This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.

[Coldneck]

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This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm, that's a concise version of what I've been saying this entire thread.

[ruby23]

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This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of those guys can be dealt unless they want to be dealt also.

[savant]

<!--quoteo(post=63229:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63225:date=Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would be fine with dealing Z, as others have said, only if it is part of a two year rebuild. Otherwise, also as others have said, it makes no sense.

This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of those guys can be dealt unless they want to be dealt also.
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Which leads me to believe it would be impossible to ever trade more than one of them in an offseason.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=63234:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM:name=savant)-->QUOTE (savant @ Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63229:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63225:date=Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would be fine with dealing Z, as others have said, only if it is part of a two year rebuild. Otherwise, also as others have said, it makes no sense.

This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of those guys can be dealt unless they want to be dealt also.
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Which leads me to believe it would be impossible to ever trade more than one of them in an offseason.
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Yeah, it's not gonna happen. The 2010 Cubs will look almost exactly like the 2009 Cubs.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=63235:date=Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63234:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM:name=savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63229:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63225:date=Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would be fine with dealing Z, as others have said, only if it is part of a two year rebuild. Otherwise, also as others have said, it makes no sense.

This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of those guys can be dealt unless they want to be dealt also.
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Which leads me to believe it would be impossible to ever trade more than one of them in an offseason.
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Yeah, it's not gonna happen. The 2010 Cubs will look almost exactly like the 2009 Cubs.
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I am inclined to agree.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=63236:date=Sep 15 2009, 09:17 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 15 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63235:date=Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63234:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM:name=savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Sep 15 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63229:date=Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Sep 15 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63225:date=Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Sep 15 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would be fine with dealing Z, as others have said, only if it is part of a two year rebuild. Otherwise, also as others have said, it makes no sense.

This would be a tough team to rebuild, though. Z could be dealt. Lilly could be dealt. Lee could be dealt. Aramis could be dealt, but probably wouldn't be. Other than that, I don't see takers for our contracts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
None of those guys can be dealt unless they want to be dealt also.
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Which leads me to believe it would be impossible to ever trade more than one of them in an offseason.
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Yeah, it's not gonna happen. The 2010 Cubs will look almost exactly like the 2009 Cubs.
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I am inclined to agree.
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me 3, front office included.

[rok]

And Z is still crazy.

[bz]

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Ya know BZ, you don't have a fucking clue what I want. How can you say that I want a $140M payroll for 7 players after all the bitching I've done about our future salary commitments? I would actually much rather go in the other direction and get leaner for a couple of years and build this thing the right way. I simply do not think this team can win the division as structured and unless we add significantly to the budget we can't add any talent through FA. I really do not want to watch another season of .500 with aging veterans who play with no entusiasm. Zambrano is not the first player I'd want to trade. I'd much rather trade Soriano, Fuk, or Bradley. But of the 4, Zambrano is the most likely to find a buyer. It would allow us some flexibility to address our major problems, which are defense up the middle and hitting. Starting pitching is our strength, and while Zambrano would be difficult to replace the case could be made that his downward trend in his production and increased injury risk may continue for the remainder of his contract. I don't hate Zambrano, but I do see that he has declined for 4 straight years and the innings on his pitching arm continue to add up.
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I'm not sure, but I think he meant that you want guys like Soriano cast off (with hyperbole leading to 7 people on the roster), even if the only way that happens is we end up paying a significant portion of the salary (again, hyperbole leading to a 140M payroll including paying for players that aren't on our team).

Not very sure at all though. I was thrown off at the comment myself and that offers the best explanation IMO.
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That would be correct, my friend. Ruby is correct as well.

[rok]

The Chicago media, being the fine people and astute journalists that they always are, ambushed Z in the post-game last night. It was a disgusting sight. Don't get me wrong, I was pissed off at Z for his performance in the 5th inning, and he needed to talk about what happened, but to ask him if he couldn't concentrate on the game because he was asked to waive his NT clause and if he wanted out of Chicago, was disgraceful. What a bunch of hacks.

[Coldneck]

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I didn't see the press conference and have no idea how the questions were asked, but if Z was indeed asked to waive his NTC than I definitely think it is fair game for the media top ask him about it. That is very newsworthy.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=63272:date=Sep 16 2009, 07:50 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 16 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63270:date=Sep 16 2009, 08:31 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Sep 16 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->The Chicago media, being the fine people and astute journalists that they always are, ambushed Z in the post-game last night. It was a disgusting sight. Don't get me wrong, I was pissed off at Z for his performance in the 5th inning, and he needed to talk about what happened, but to ask him if he couldn't concentrate on the game because he was asked to waive his NT clause and if he wanted out of Chicago, was disgraceful. What a bunch of hacks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't see the press conference and have no idea how the questions were asked, but if Z was indeed asked to waive his NTC than I definitely think it is fair game for the media top ask him about it. That is very newsworthy.
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He wasn't asked to do anything, Sullivan made it up for a story to write on a day when Zambrano pitched. Zambrano also said he wouldn't waive it anyway.