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***jstraw*** · 10-07-2009, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And my point is that if Soto is performing at the same level he did last year, we need another catcher (backup probably isn't then right term, more like platoon partner) that's better than Hill.

I hear what you're saying but the resources a second catcher, better than Hill, would cost to acquire...well...I think we have higher priorities.

ruby23 · 10-07-2009, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Butcher @ Oct 7 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And my point is that if Soto is performing at the same level he did last year, we need another catcher (backup probably isn't then right term, more like platoon partner) that's better than Hill.
Are you anticipating any sort of bounceback next season for Soto, or is the 2009 Soto the "real" Soto? He was hurt and out of shape this year. Don't you think the "real" Soto is somewhere in between 2008 and 2009?
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I think the real Soto is what we saw this year.

savant · 10-07-2009, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Oct 7 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And my point is that if Soto is performing at the same level he did last year, we need another catcher (backup probably isn't then right term, more like platoon partner) that's better than Hill.
Are you anticipating any sort of bounceback next season for Soto, or is the 2009 Soto the "real" Soto? He was hurt and out of shape this year. Don't you think the "real" Soto is somewhere in between 2008 and 2009?
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I think the real Soto is what we saw this year.
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With the WBC, the out of shape problem, the failed drug test, the injury, the inevitable sophomore slump, and the pressure of being a young catcher for Lou taken into account, I think there might be a significant amount of room for improvement. Everything we heard about Soto was, that when he had his weight down he hit, when he lost control of his weight he sucked. To me catcher is the fourth to last place in the world we need help. At the end of the day both Soto and Hill know how to call a game to an established game plan, and their pitchers like throwing to them.

savant · 10-07-2009, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 7 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With Shark, if he ever gets it it will be like a light switch going on. I am not sold on the fact that he ever will really get it. Just keep in mind that compared to the average first or second year major league pitcher he probably doesn't have half as many innings pitched during his lifetime.

Wells is a good example of what could happen with Shark, but if we were able to get good value back for Wells I would move him. He just makes me a bit nervous.

I want Reyes from the Mets.

Reyes?

Me too...can't see it ever happening. He's loved out there...even with his surgery.
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I am in no way implying that we could get both Reyes and Beltran, but it just seems with the Mets struggles they are going to have shake that roster up. If they do there would seem to be some decent matches for trades between us and them.

Rapp, are you out east much anymore?

Just wondering what hte feel is around the Mets. They have had a pretty decent string of horrendous years. Wilpon is in a world of financial hurt. They have two player that really interest me in Beltran and Reyes. It seems that Hendry and Minaya have had a tough time time working out trades together, but a guy can dream right?
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I'm still out twice a month, Sav...you're right about Hendry and Minaya...I've always wondered if they're similar types, and have difficulty doing business.

I think Beltran could be had, but Met fans still want Reyes to be their "Jeter". They love him...they should...when he's right, he's awesome.

And...no matter what is happening with Wilpon's real estate, Met fans will kill him if he builds a stadium and cuts payroll. So...I just don't see them rebuilding...and Reyes is still only 26, so he'd have to part of that effort.

Beltran is a big contract...he might be the type they'd move for pieces.

Met fans are pissed, but they also know they got hosed by injuries, this year...I think they're very much in our boat.
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Somehow the text is missing from the original post.

Anyway, all I was saying is that I see no scenario where we could get both Beltran, and reyes. But if either name is mentioned this offsean, I would hope we would jump in with both feet. The Mets have been horrid, and I think they will almost have to do something to shake up that roster a bit.

kbwsb · 10-07-2009, 03:47 PM

I think (hope) that Soto got a cold slap in the face by REALITY this past year. In 2008, when he's put in the work (practice,film), lost a lot of weight, and avoids distractions, he's an All-Star.

In 2009, when he blows a lot of weed, scarfs Cheetos by the bagful, carries around a sense of entitlement, decides to play in some meaningless exhibition instead of attending Spring Training, and shows up fat, confused, and unmotivated, he sucks donkey testicles.

I wish Jim would show him these two lists, and say "Pick one, asshole!"

1060Ivy · 10-07-2009, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 7 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With Shark, if he ever gets it it will be like a light switch going on. I am not sold on the fact that he ever will really get it. Just keep in mind that compared to the average first or second year major league pitcher he probably doesn't have half as many innings pitched during his lifetime.

Wells is a good example of what could happen with Shark, but if we were able to get good value back for Wells I would move him. He just makes me a bit nervous.

I want Reyes from the Mets.

Reyes?

Me too...can't see it ever happening. He's loved out there...even with his surgery.
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Rapp, are you out east much anymore?

Just wondering what hte feel is around the Mets. They have had a pretty decent string of horrendous years. Wilpon is in a world of financial hurt. They have two player that really interest me in Beltran and Reyes. It seems that Hendry and Minaya have had a tough time time working out trades together, but a guy can dream right?
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I'm still out twice a month, Sav...you're right about Hendry and Minaya...I've always wondered if they're similar types, and have difficulty doing business.

I think Beltran could be had, but Met fans still want Reyes to be their "Jeter". They love him...they should...when he's right, he's awesome.

And...no matter what is happening with Wilpon's real estate, Met fans will kill him if he builds a stadium and cuts payroll. So...I just don't see them rebuilding...and Reyes is still only 26, so he'd have to part of that effort.

Beltran is a big contract...he might be the type they'd move for pieces.

Met fans are pissed, but they also know they got hosed by injuries, this year...I think they're very much in our boat.
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According to the Mets, they plan on being aggressive in the free agent market this year so I don't know about them will to get rid of Reyes or Beltran.

"Jeff Wilpon continued to insist Monday that the Mets will be aggressive in free agency, trades and payroll this offseason as they try to pick up the pieces from this year's 70-92 disaster. Shaking off speculation that owner Fred Wilpon's reported $700 million loss in the Bernie Madoff scheme would limit the Mets this winter, Jeff Wilpon vowed that the club would once again have among the highest player budgets in baseball."

New York Post

savant · 10-07-2009, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Oct 7 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 7 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With Shark, if he ever gets it it will be like a light switch going on. I am not sold on the fact that he ever will really get it. Just keep in mind that compared to the average first or second year major league pitcher he probably doesn't have half as many innings pitched during his lifetime.

Wells is a good example of what could happen with Shark, but if we were able to get good value back for Wells I would move him. He just makes me a bit nervous.

I want Reyes from the Mets.

Reyes?

Me too...can't see it ever happening. He's loved out there...even with his surgery.
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Beltan's 20 million will buy a lot of free agents.
Rapp, are you out east much anymore?

Just wondering what hte feel is around the Mets. They have had a pretty decent string of horrendous years. Wilpon is in a world of financial hurt. They have two player that really interest me in Beltran and Reyes. It seems that Hendry and Minaya have had a tough time time working out trades together, but a guy can dream right?
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I'm still out twice a month, Sav...you're right about Hendry and Minaya...I've always wondered if they're similar types, and have difficulty doing business.

I think Beltran could be had, but Met fans still want Reyes to be their "Jeter". They love him...they should...when he's right, he's awesome.

And...no matter what is happening with Wilpon's real estate, Met fans will kill him if he builds a stadium and cuts payroll. So...I just don't see them rebuilding...and Reyes is still only 26, so he'd have to part of that effort.

Beltran is a big contract...he might be the type they'd move for pieces.

Met fans are pissed, but they also know they got hosed by injuries, this year...I think they're very much in our boat.
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According to the Mets, they plan on being aggressive in the free agent market this year so I don't know about them will to get rid of Reyes or Beltran.

"Jeff Wilpon continued to insist Monday that the Mets will be aggressive in free agency, trades and payroll this offseason as they try to pick up the pieces from this year's 70-92 disaster. Shaking off speculation that owner Fred Wilpon's reported $700 million loss in the Bernie Madoff scheme would limit the Mets this winter, Jeff Wilpon vowed that the club would once again have among the highest player budgets in baseball."

New York Post
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veryzer · 10-07-2009, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Butcher @ Oct 6 2009, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Cabrera had 25 errors this season. He'll be 35 next season. He doesn't hit for a high average or get on base or hit for power. Why do we want him? Because he's a good bunter and doesn't strike out a lot?

Pass.

yep.

Mikey · 10-07-2009, 05:56 PM

Didn't know where to put this.

cubs FAs
QUOTE MLB Trade Rumors has sorted out the projected Type A and B Free Agents. The Cubs have two in each category:

Type A Free Agent

John Grabow
Kevin Gregg

Type B Free Agent

Rich Harden
Reed Johnson

The Cubs would like to keep Grabow, and already have had talks with his agent. Harden and Johnson could stay, but it depends on their contract demands.

* Also, players with three to six years of big league service are arbitration eligible. The Cubs will have until Dec. 12 to tender the following players contracts:

IF Jeff Baker

LHP Neal Cotts

IF Mike Fontenot

LHP Tom Gorzelanny

RHP Angel Guzman

RHP Aaron Heilman

C Koyie Hill

RHP Carlos Marmol

LHP Sean Marshall

SS Ryan Theriot

Players with between two and three years of big league service time are eligible as "Super Twos" if they both collected at least 86 days the prior year and rank in the top 17 percent in total service time of this group. Fontenot and Gorzelanny qualify as Super Twos.

-- Carrie Muskat

***Butcher*** · 10-07-2009, 06:19 PM

Holy shit. Gregg is a type A and Harden is a type B? What's the criteria?

kbwsb · 10-07-2009, 06:53 PM

That sucks balls for the Cubs. With Harden, if he was an "A" like he should have been, we'd likely offer him arbitration, and when he inevitably signs with another team, we'd have gotten a #1 draft pick in exchange.

Now we get zippo.

And who in their right mind would EVER give up a #1 draft pick for Kevin fucking Gregg?

Not good news, all around.

Auz · 10-07-2009, 07:03 PM

C - Soto
1B - Lee
2B -
SS - Theriot
3B - Ramirez
LF - Soriano
CF -
RF - Fuk

Bench

Fox
Hill
Baker

Zambrano
Lilly
Dempster
Wells

Bullpen
C - Marmol
SU - Guzman
Gorzelanny
Caridad

To me we need a 2B/SS, a CF, a 4/5 starter and a couple of bench/bullpen spots.

Firstly we have to rid the team of Bradley by any means possible. If it means that we get ass raped in doing so, then by all means. Have to cut our losses with that one. I will be happy if we get Rowand for him however unlikely. I think we should retain Johnson to be the 4th outfielder and rotate between the regulars - Soriano, Fuk and maybe Rowand. He should get around 400AB's. I can't see us gettiing a big bat this season as the market is dry in that regard.

I would also be happy if we resign Grabow. I liked what I saw of him and he got the job done. Rest of the bullpen is a crapshoot, however we should avoid the Shark. He needs some tuning in the minors. Caridad was great for us and deserves a chance. Berg could also be a bolter.

Baker was good for us, but he is a utility bench guy, but should still see 400AB's. Maybe Blanco as the SS backup as he can play pretty good D. We need to get an everyday 2B/SS as the cajun connection is a failure. I wouldn't have a hissy-fit if we resign my old mate DeRosa. Fuck we missed him this year.

I have a feeling the Cubs will resign Harden. Why else shut him down? The guy is an enigma... he is either injured/banged up or has the best stuff in baseball.

Fontenot, Hoffpauir, Heilman, Gregg, Marshall should be all cut loose. Patton should be buried in a hole.

kbwsb · 10-07-2009, 07:08 PM

Many good points have been made, but I would like to address this one: why is there this site-wide hatred for Marshall? I can see, as a fan, thinking he's a freaking sloth.

But as a GM, you've got a young pitcher, a lefty, and a guy who puts up MLB-average performances for WELL below MLB-average pay. There's also the distinct possibility that he could get <i>better</i>, especially if they ever gave him a defined role.

Those are a lot of plusses.

kbwsb · 10-07-2009, 07:59 PM

BJ Upton can be had. He'd solve a lot of problems. But do we really want another guy who's known for his attitude?

Baron · 10-07-2009, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (KBwsb @ Oct 7 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>BJ Upton can be had. He'd solve a lot of problems. But do we really want another guy who's known for his attitude?
Yes.

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