Time to play GM

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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He's pretty average to below average in my book. And I meant someone who isn't an embarrassment with the bat and is solid defensively. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.

[Andy]

<!--quoteo(post=65774:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:28 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Oct 7 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 11:14 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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We do?
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I believe he's referring to Soto.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=65776:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher? He didn't shit himself offensively and he was an iron man behind the plate.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=65780:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:53 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65776:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher?
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Someone good.

[rok]

If you're expecting the 2008 version of Soto for next season, then Hill would be fine as a backup. I don't think you should expect anything close to the 2008 Soto though.

[savant]

<!--quoteo(post=65771:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65579:date=Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM:name=savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->With Shark, if he ever gets it it will be like a light switch going on. I am not sold on the fact that he ever will really get it. Just keep in mind that compared to the average first or second year major league pitcher he probably doesn't have half as many innings pitched during his lifetime.

Wells is a good example of what could happen with Shark, but if we were able to get good value back for Wells I would move him. He just makes me a bit nervous.


I want Reyes from the Mets.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Reyes?

Me too...can't see it ever happening. He's loved out there...even with his surgery.
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Rapp, are you out east much anymore?

Just wondering what hte feel is around the Mets. They have had a pretty decent string of horrendous years. Wilpon is in a world of financial hurt. They have two player that really interest me in Beltran and Reyes. It seems that Hendry and Minaya have had a tough time time working out trades together, but a guy can dream right?

[savant]

<!--quoteo(post=65792:date=Oct 7 2009, 11:15 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If you're expecting the 2008 version of Soto for next season, then Hill would be fine as a backup. I don't think you should expect anything close to the 2008 Soto though.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Soto really did hit in terrible luck last year. I am hopping to see the real guy for a full spring training next year. Soto and Soriano coming close to their expected production makes this team a contender again with no moves this offseason.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=65789:date=Oct 7 2009, 11:09 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65780:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:53 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65776:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65769:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Oct 7 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65767:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65766:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Oct 7 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65762:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Oct 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65761:date=Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Oct 7 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Cabrera's age is a huge concern. I really don't think he offers much more than Andres Blanco with the bat and Blanco is light years better in the field. Significantly cheaper too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher?
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Someone good.
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Hill calls a good game, plays excellent defense and throws out 40% of attempted basestealers (the same percentage Yadier Molina throws out). That's a good backup catcher.

Someone who does all that *and* can rake isn't a backup catcher. He's a starter.

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=65793:date=Oct 7 2009, 11:18 AM:name=savant)-->QUOTE (savant @ Oct 7 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65771:date=Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Oct 7 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=65579:date=Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM:name=savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (savant @ Oct 6 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->With Shark, if he ever gets it it will be like a light switch going on. I am not sold on the fact that he ever will really get it. Just keep in mind that compared to the average first or second year major league pitcher he probably doesn't have half as many innings pitched during his lifetime.

Wells is a good example of what could happen with Shark, but if we were able to get good value back for Wells I would move him. He just makes me a bit nervous.


I want Reyes from the Mets.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Reyes?

Me too...can't see it ever happening. He's loved out there...even with his surgery.
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Rapp, are you out east much anymore?

Just wondering what hte feel is around the Mets. They have had a pretty decent string of horrendous years. Wilpon is in a world of financial hurt. They have two player that really interest me in Beltran and Reyes. It seems that Hendry and Minaya have had a tough time time working out trades together, but a guy can dream right?
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I'm still out twice a month, Sav...you're right about Hendry and Minaya...I've always wondered if they're similar types, and have difficulty doing business.

I think Beltran could be had, but Met fans still want Reyes to be their "Jeter". They love him...they should...when he's right, he's awesome.

And...no matter what is happening with Wilpon's real estate, Met fans will kill him if he builds a stadium and cuts payroll. So...I just don't see them rebuilding...and Reyes is still only 26, so he'd have to part of that effort.

Beltran is a big contract...he might be the type they'd move for pieces.

Met fans are pissed, but they also know they got hosed by injuries, this year...I think they're very much in our boat.

[ruby23]

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That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher?
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Someone good.
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Hill calls a good game, plays excellent defense and throws out 40% of attempted basestealers (the same percentage Yadier Molina throws out). That's a good backup catcher.

Someone who does all that *and* can rake isn't a backup catcher. He's a starter.
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If Soto is the starter, the backup needs to be better than Hill, is my point. Like rok said, if 2010 Soto is more like 2008 Soto than 2009 Soto, then Hill is fine. I don't suspect he will be, so I'm definitely interested in an upgrade at catcher.

[Butcher]

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That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher?
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Someone good.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hill calls a good game, plays excellent defense and throws out 40% of attempted basestealers (the same percentage Yadier Molina throws out). That's a good backup catcher.

Someone who does all that *and* can rake isn't a backup catcher. He's a starter.
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If Soto is the starter, the backup needs to be better than Hill, is my point. Like rok said, if 2010 Soto is more like 2008 Soto than 2009 Soto, then Hill is fine. I don't suspect he will be, so I'm definitely interested in an upgrade at catcher.
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And my point is that any catcher who is significantly better than Hill isn't a backup.

[ruby23]

And my point is that if Soto is performing at the same level he did last year, we need another catcher (backup probably isn't then right term, more like platoon partner) that's better than Hill.

[Butcher]

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Are you anticipating any sort of bounceback next season for Soto, or is the 2009 Soto the "real" Soto? He was hurt and out of shape this year. Don't you think the "real" Soto is somewhere in between 2008 and 2009?

[jstraw]

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That's the thing though. I'd be fine with a light-hitting slick-fielding SS as long as we had an above average bat at 2B, which we don't have right now and probably won't go out and get one. Either way, we need to improve our defensive and offensive consistency up the middle. That should be Hendry's #1 goal, but he's probably just going to spend the offseason chasing some elusive run producer for the middle of the order. Whoever that ends up being, he'd better be able to field his position and play either CF or SS.
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Or catcher.
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Yeah, I've thought about that as well, but I just think the higher ups feel Soto deserves one more chance to earn the everyday job again. The one thing we could do to improve that situation is go out and get a really good backup at C. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but we need to forget about having a .285/ 25 HR/ 85 RBI guy at that position, because chances are Soto isn't that guy.
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We have a really good backup at catcher.
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Nuh uh.
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What do you want from a backup catcher?
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Someone good.
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Hill calls a good game, plays excellent defense and throws out 40% of attempted basestealers (the same percentage Yadier Molina throws out). That's a good backup catcher.

Someone who does all that *and* can rake isn't a backup catcher. He's a starter.
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Thank you.

The argument that Hill isn't a good enough back up catcher because the guy he's backing up blew goats this year is weird.

Hill did his job this year and he did it well. He shouldn't have to do Soto's job.