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<!--quoteo(post=72329:date=Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72272:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->For God's sake KB. Is there anyone on the planet who DIDN'T know Bradley was going to be far more valuable to whomever traded for him than for the Cubs? This was a given.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh...didn't you think Seattle fans were saying THE EXACT SAME THING? Ie, "There's no way were getting a fucking thing for Carlos fucking Silva. No way."
Instead, they got a guy who 12 months ago led their league in OPS!
Seattle has a good GM. Deny that.
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That is why they are paying the Cubs money.
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That $5M could bring Neifi back to the Cubs. FUCK YES, MOTHERFUCKER!
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<!--quoteo(post=72330:date=Dec 18 2009, 03:40 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72329:date=Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72272:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->For God's sake KB. Is there anyone on the planet who DIDN'T know Bradley was going to be far more valuable to whomever traded for him than for the Cubs? This was a given.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh...didn't you think Seattle fans were saying THE EXACT SAME THING? Ie, "There's no way were getting a fucking thing for Carlos fucking Silva. No way."
Instead, they got a guy who 12 months ago led their league in OPS!
Seattle has a good GM. Deny that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That is why they are paying the Cubs money.
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That $5M could bring Neifi back to the Cubs. FUCK YES, MOTHERFUCKER!
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<i>Four</i> million, motherfucker! Fuck yes!
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<!--quoteo(post=72348:date=Dec 18 2009, 04:23 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 18 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Isn't it $6 million?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
$9 million, then $6 million after salaries offset. Not sure how the buyout factors in. I think The Dude posted a brief breakdown.
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There's a $2M buyout of Silva's last year in his contract. I'm assuming we won't exercise that option...
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I'm surprised Hendry didn't vest it and add in a full no trade clause. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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<!--quoteo(post=72350:date=Dec 18 2009, 05:26 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->There's a $2M buyout of Silva's last year in his contract. I'm assuming we won't exercise that option...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was $24 over the next two years, including the buyout. I think Cot's recently updated - it's $23.5 over the next two, plus the buyout. So the savings are actually a scant $4.5 million.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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<!--quoteo(post=72352:date=Dec 18 2009, 04:32 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 18 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72350:date=Dec 18 2009, 05:26 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->There's a $2M buyout of Silva's last year in his contract. I'm assuming we won't exercise that option...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was $24 over the next two years, including the buyout. I think Cot's recently updated - it's $23.5 over the next two, plus the buyout. So the savings are actually a scant $4.5 million.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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<!--quoteo(post=72272:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->For God's sake KB. Is there anyone on the planet who DIDN'T know Bradley was going to be far more valuable to whomever traded for him than for the Cubs? This was a given.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh...didn't you think Seattle fans were saying THE EXACT SAME THING? Ie, "There's no way were getting a fucking thing for Carlos fucking Silva. No way."
Instead, they got a guy who 12 months ago led their league in OPS!
Seattle has a good GM. Deny that.
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KB, this is why you drive me absolutely batshit insane. You are myopic beyond comprehension. To wit:
Hendry deals prospects for ARam because the Pirates are desperate to unload salary. Hendry gets what from KB? No credit. "Hey man that doesn't count, the Pirates were desperate to unload salary".
Zduriencik deals Silva to the Cubs for Milton Bradley because the Cubs were desperate to get rid of him. Same situation. What does Zduriencik get from KB? Hey, the exact opposite! He's a good GM. All the credit in the world.
More to the point, KB is polishing the knob of a GM who just threw 30 million dollars at Milton Bradley for 2 years. The same Milton Bradley who Hendry was brain dead to sign last year because everyone knows Bradley can't play more than 50 games a season. Add to that he was bad both on the field and off the field last year, and tell me honestly, if the roles were reversed wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder about Hendry bringing a cancer into the clubhouse, and paying an extra 9 million to do it?
I don't like Jim Hendry all that much. I'll be fine if the Cubs decide to fire him. But for Christ sake, all I have to do is suggest that he doesn't molest special needs children on a daily basis, and compared to you, it looks like I'm in love with the man.
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According to this we're saving $6 million. Don't know if its right.
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<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Seattle Mariners and Chicago Cubs swapped undesired contracts on Friday, as the M’s acquired OF/DH Milton Bradley for RHP Carlos Silva. Bradley is owed a combined $21M for the 2010-2011 seasons, while Silva is set to rake in $24M ($11.5M each in 2010 and 2011, plus a $2M buyout on a $12M mutual option for 2012). Apparently, Seattle will kick in $9M, saving Chicago $6M in the transaction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Now all we need is Scotty Pods and we have an off-season to remember.
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I thought it was $24 over the next two years, including the buyout. I think Cot's recently updated - it's $23.5 over the next two, plus the buyout. So the savings are actually a scant $4.5 million.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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In your rush to be wonderful...again...you were WRONG!
And smug.
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Uh... it turned out it was WORSE than I (and several other NEWS publications) thought. Care to try again?
(how's that for smug?)
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->The Seattle Mariners and Chicago Cubs swapped undesired contracts on Friday, as the M’s acquired OF/DH Milton Bradley for RHP Carlos Silva. Bradley is owed a combined $21M for the 2010-2011 seasons, while Silva is set to rake in $24M ($11.5M each in 2010 and 2011, plus a $2M buyout on a $12M mutual option for 2012). Apparently, Seattle will kick in $9M, saving Chicago $6M in the transaction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I think the final tally is that Silva gets $11.5 each year for the next two, plus $2 million for the buyout. That totals $25 million. Bradley was going to get about $21 million, so with $9 million coming the Cubs way, they save about $5 million.
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<!--quoteo(post=72392:date=Dec 18 2009, 06:15 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 18 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72272:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->For God's sake KB. Is there anyone on the planet who DIDN'T know Bradley was going to be far more valuable to whomever traded for him than for the Cubs? This was a given.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh...didn't you think Seattle fans were saying THE EXACT SAME THING? Ie, "There's no way were getting a fucking thing for Carlos fucking Silva. No way."
Instead, they got a guy who 12 months ago led their league in OPS!
Seattle has a good GM. Deny that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->KB, this is why you drive me absolutely batshit insane. You are myopic beyond comprehension. To wit:
Hendry deals prospects for ARam because the Pirates are desperate to unload salary. Hendry gets what from KB? No credit. "Hey man that doesn't count, the Pirates were desperate to unload salary".
Zduriencik deals Silva to the Cubs for Milton Bradley because the Cubs were desperate to get rid of him. Same situation. What does Zduriencik get from KB? Hey, the exact opposite! He's a good GM. All the credit in the world.
More to the point, KB is polishing the knob of a GM who just threw 30 million dollars at Milton Bradley for 2 years. The same Milton Bradley who Hendry was brain dead to sign last year because everyone knows Bradley can't play more than 50 games a season. Add to that he was bad both on the field and off the field last year, and tell me honestly, if the roles were reversed wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder about Hendry bringing a cancer into the clubhouse, and paying an extra 9 million to do it?
I don't like Jim Hendry all that much. I'll be fine if the Cubs decide to fire him. But for Christ sake, all I have to do is suggest that he doesn't molest special needs children on a daily basis, and compared to you, it looks like I'm in love with the man.
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BT, this is why you drive me batshit insane. You are making things up out of the clear blue, then falsely attributing them to me. (Although, in all honesty, if I was trying to defend the indefensible, I perhaps would also use your tact of completely changing the subject.)
1. I did not scream about Bradley being a clubhouse wrecker when he was signed. Even NOW I think the charge is utter bullshit, so why would I ever say it? Oh, that's right, I didn't.
2. The best example of a positive Jim move that you can deliver happened 6 and a half <i>years</i> ago. Justin Upton and Clay Kershaw were freshman in high school, Bush was still a popular president, and Brad Pitt was still happily married to Jennifer Anniston. It was long before Sons of Ivy existed. The Dark Ages.
It was a salary dump by the Pirates, and I've long complimented Jim for being a good vulture, so why wouldn't I compliment Jack Z. for doing the same thing?
Who's myopic? No matter what I type, you feel as if you have to take the 180 degree opposite stance. Which is cool and interesting at times; but at other times, like when you're trying to defend a stupendously terrible deal, it looks desperate.
Edit: Just wanted to state that I personally still completely dig you, BT. I even take a perverse joy in your defending of Hendry's lunatic brainfarts, er, baseball moves.
As for Seattle, think about how atrocious the state of that franchise was only a year ago. It'd be tough to argue that their GM has done a poor job.
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I thought it was $24 over the next two years, including the buyout. I think Cot's recently updated - it's $23.5 over the next two, plus the buyout. So the savings are actually a scant $4.5 million.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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In your rush to be wonderful...again...you were WRONG!
And smug.
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Uh... it turned out it was WORSE than I (and several other NEWS publications) thought. Care to try again?
(how's that for smug?)
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HA! I don't believe it...you still got it wrong.
Unreal.
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