Bradley traded??

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=82424:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:28 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Mar 11 2010, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82423:date=Mar 11 2010, 07:26 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82422:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:24 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Mar 11 2010, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82406:date=Mar 11 2010, 06:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82405:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:07 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Mar 11 2010, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't know, I don't think it really matters what he said I guess. He said what he needed to say to clear the air and still tried to save face. I didn't really get the vibe that he was insisting he traded him *only* for lack of production. More that his lack of production is what caused the negativity. I know that's not what the exact quote says, but I don't think the way he said it was a big deal.

I have been hard on Hendry the last couple of years, and to be honest, I don't know how he still has a job after EVERY move he made last season imploded, but I respect the way he has handled Bradley. He admitted his mistake and tired to fix it as best as he could after the mistake was made.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

But he DIDN'T admit his mistake, Fella. That's what really pisses me off. His mistake was signing a guy with OBVIOUS character problems, and then when those character problems were the REASON the guy didn't work out, he is forced to trade him.

The only "mistake" Hendry now admits to is signing a guy who "didn't produce." Hendry's mistake was far, far worse than that. Signing a guy who sucks is a mistake that EVERY GM makes every year. Signing Milton Bradley to a multi-year, big money deal? That's a mistake that only ONE GM has ever made.

Getting hot under the collar.... I apologize....
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I can understand where you are coming from, but in previous interviews Hendry has said "signing Bradley was a mistake, I take responsibility, blah blah blah" I'm still pretty sure Hendry now knows Bradley is a psycho and that it was a big mistake to sign him. Like I said before, I'm just not getting the same vibe from him that you are.

I just don't see that interview as him insisting the production was the reason and NOT Bradley's attitude. That's not what it was all about. I guess I take media interviews with a grain of salt. If Hendry gets up and says, "Bradley is a douchebag asshole who ruined our season, so I traded his black ass to Seattle" Then it causes another huge media frenzy. I know that's an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. Hendry tried to answer the questions as best as he could, as PC as he could. That's all I see.
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Fair enough. But when he suspended Bradley, he surely had all the right words, no? Bradley insulted our fans, detrimental conduct, etc.

Why suddenly is that stuff off the table? It just strikes me as highly fishy.
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Maybe he doesn't feel the need to rehash what we already know?
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Or maybe he doesn't want to rehash what makes him look bad.

[bz]

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Understand now, FOO!?

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=82428:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:31 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Mar 11 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

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I agree with 2 and 3, but the first one is crap.

And also, saying a guy needs to look in the mirror and accept responsibility and was a crappy performer last year is not the high road. It's just a different low road.

[Ace]

I'm willing to concede that there's a chance I am reading too much into Hendry's statement. I don't think I am, but it's a reasonable possibility.

But what is clear is IF Hendry were to say to you today that the only reason - or at least the biggest reason - Milton Bradley was traded for Carlos Silva was because Bradley "didn't perform" last year, you'd slap Hendry's mouth for being a liar. Right? We can all agree on that.

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=82428:date=Mar 11 2010, 06:31 PM:name=bz)-->QUOTE (bz @ Mar 11 2010, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Any respectable boss doesn't bash an employee. If he wanted to be Ozzie Guillen and grab a mic spouting such and such about Bradley being a dickhead closet racist who couldn't hit a fat woman with a truck and who cries when he stubs his cooter on a tampon he could have. But in an attempt to save face while being classy he took the higher road. I wish he wouldn't have because it would have been high comedy, but let's get real here.

Understand now, FOO!?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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[Fella]

<!--quoteo(post=82430:date=Mar 11 2010, 06:36 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm willing to concede that there's a chance I am reading too much into Hendry's statement. I don't think I am, but it's a reasonable possibility.

But what is clear is IF Hendry were to say to you today that the only reason - or at least the biggest reason - Milton Bradley was traded for Carlos Silva was because Bradley "didn't perform" last year, you'd slap Hendry's mouth for being a liar. Right? We can all agree on that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes, if I knew Hendry and he told me to my face in a non-media affiliated conversation that was the only or biggest reason, I'd call him a liar.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=82433:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:42 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Mar 11 2010, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82430:date=Mar 11 2010, 06:36 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm willing to concede that there's a chance I am reading too much into Hendry's statement. I don't think I am, but it's a reasonable possibility.

But what is clear is IF Hendry were to say to you today that the only reason - or at least the biggest reason - Milton Bradley was traded for Carlos Silva was because Bradley "didn't perform" last year, you'd slap Hendry's mouth for being a liar. Right? We can all agree on that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes, if I knew Hendry and he told me to my face in a non-media affiliated conversation that was the only or biggest reason, I'd call him a liar.
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[ruby23]

Milton Bradley hit .205 with RISP. You can say whatever you want about his OPS and OBP, because they don't fucking matter because of the first stat I listed. I don't care if he almost had an OBP of .800 or had a decent OBP, saying that he did anything remotely close to producing is a flat out lie and is a reason why you need to look at the body of work, rather than an "all-encompassing" stat like OPS. Bradley sucked, he was a douche, he's gone now, he threw punches at the Cubs and Cub fans on his way out, Hendry swung back and called him out. We win, he loses. Fuck him and fuck anyone who thinks differently, you're wrong.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=82435:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:48 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 11 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Milton Bradley hit .205 with RISP. You can say whatever you want about his OPS and OBP, because they don't fucking matter because of the first stat I listed. I don't care if he almost had an OBP of .800 or had a decent OBP, saying that he did anything remotely close to producing is a flat out lie and is a reason why you need to look at the body of work, rather than an "all-encompassing" stat like OPS. Bradley sucked, he was a douche, he's gone now, he threw punches at the Cubs and Cub fans on his way out, Hendry swung back and called him out. We win, he loses. Fuck him and fuck anyone who thinks differently, you're wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeah, that's pretty much not at all what anyone was discussing. But I like seeing ruby swear.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=82435:date=Mar 11 2010, 07:48 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 11 2010, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Milton Bradley hit .205 with RISP. You can say whatever you want about his OPS and OBP, because they don't fucking matter because of the first stat I listed. I don't care if he almost had an OBP of .800 or had a decent OBP, saying that he did anything remotely close to producing is a flat out lie and is a reason why you need to look at the body of work, rather than an "all-encompassing" stat like OPS. Bradley sucked, he was a douche, he's gone now, he threw punches at the Cubs and Cub fans on his way out, Hendry swung back and called him out. We win, he loses. Fuck him and fuck anyone who thinks differently, you're wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I agree with you that Bradley sucked. I agree with Ace that there's no way he gets dumped for Silva if he sucked and was a sweetheart. He probably doesn't get dumped if he rakes and is a schmuck. But he sucked AND he was a schmuck.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=82436:date=Mar 11 2010, 07:50 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82435:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:48 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Mar 11 2010, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Milton Bradley hit .205 with RISP. You can say whatever you want about his OPS and OBP, because they don't fucking matter because of the first stat I listed. I don't care if he almost had an OBP of .800 or had a decent OBP, saying that he did anything remotely close to producing is a flat out lie and is a reason why you need to look at the body of work, rather than an "all-encompassing" stat like OPS. Bradley sucked, he was a douche, he's gone now, he threw punches at the Cubs and Cub fans on his way out, Hendry swung back and called him out. We win, he loses. Fuck him and fuck anyone who thinks differently, you're wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeah, that's pretty much not at all what anyone was discussing. But I like seeing ruby swear.
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I didn't read a god damned thing anyone else wrote. I was just saying what was on my mind, it was completely unrelated to anything in this thread other than the title. No one should disagree with what I said, if they do, they're at least half retarded.

[Bricklayer]

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But what is clear is IF Hendry were to say to you today that the only reason - or at least the biggest reason - Milton Bradley was traded for Carlos Silva was because Bradley "didn't perform" last year, you'd slap Hendry's mouth for being a liar. Right? We can all agree on that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ace, don't you think that if Hendry did start "admitting" that he traded Bradley because of personal reasons then if would almost validate everything Bradley is claiming? Bradley would come back and say, see I told you he had it in for me, I'm the victim, blah blah blah. By Hendry keeping the focus on his performance, something Bradley has never conceded, he is keeping out of the war of words and keeping the organization from getting into a petty bullshit soap opera. Bradley keeps lobbing these grenades and as long as the Cubs refuse to dignify them with a response other than "you didn't perform", he looks like the douche, which of course is the absolute fucking truth.

Now if you really feel the need to find fire where there isn't any smoke, then that's your prerogative. Hendry and the Cubs are being professional, even though they made the mistake. That's how it goes.

[ruby23]

I also want to know who the new Hawkeye coach is gonna be. Which is totally unrelated to this thread and anything on this entire forum. However, it has been consuming me all day, I pounded a bunch of coffee today, and I'm figety as all fuck. I also don't know how the hell to spell figety or figget, or fidgety. Fuck, I'm just antsy. Cock.

[Clapp]

Random Milton Bradley post... One of my blogging friends put this together today... I wasn't aware of a couple of these things:

Milton Bradley Insanity Timeline

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=82439:date=Mar 11 2010, 08:53 PM:name=Bricklayer)-->QUOTE (Bricklayer @ Mar 11 2010, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=82430:date=Mar 11 2010, 07:36 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 11 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm willing to concede that there's a chance I am reading too much into Hendry's statement. I don't think I am, but it's a reasonable possibility.

But what is clear is IF Hendry were to say to you today that the only reason - or at least the biggest reason - Milton Bradley was traded for Carlos Silva was because Bradley "didn't perform" last year, you'd slap Hendry's mouth for being a liar. Right? We can all agree on that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ace, don't you think that if Hendry did start "admitting" that he traded Bradley because of personal reasons then if would almost validate everything Bradley is claiming? Bradley would come back and say, see I told you he had it in for me, I'm the victim, blah blah blah. By Hendry keeping the focus on his performance, something Bradley has never conceded, he is keeping out of the war of words and keeping the organization from getting into a petty bullshit soap opera. Bradley keeps lobbing these grenades and as long as the Cubs refuse to dignify them with a response other than "you didn't perform", he looks like the douche, which of course is the absolute fucking truth.

Now if you really feel the need to find fire where there isn't any smoke, then that's your prerogative. Hendry and the Cubs are being professional, even though they made the mistake. That's how it goes.
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Hmmm. That is a very good point, Brick. But once again, Hendry had no problem noting how detrimental Bradley's off-field performance was when he suspended the guy. That's the smoke, as it were.

There may not be fire, but something stinks.