Bradley traded??

[Kid]

Adam Greenberg: 1.000 career OBP. Where's his parade?

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=81600:date=Mar 4 2010, 06:07 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Mar 4 2010, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Adam Greenberg: 1.000 career OBP. Where's his parade?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

YEAH! YEAH!

WHERE'S HIS PARADE?!

WHERE'S HIS LOVE?!
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[kbwsb]

Moe Berg was one of the most interesting players ever, although not so hot on the diamond.
And ya gotta love Mike Epstein's nickname.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=81584:date=Mar 4 2010, 05:07 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81571:date=Mar 4 2010, 04:45 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Mar 4 2010, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You wanna see racism in sports, maaaaan? You wanna see it?

Be a Jewish-born man in baseball, man...be a baseball-playin' Jew.

They'll ride you so hard, you be sure you're a subway stop.

Shit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No doubt that guys like Hank Greenburg put up with a lot of horrific abuse.
On the other hand, it's probably fair to say that Sandy Koufax is one of the most well-liked, popular players in baseball history.

As a kid, one of my favorite Cubs was the great Kenny Holtzman. Of course, the Cubs being the Cubs, they traded him away right as he was about to peak. So he went on to win 3 straight World Series for the A's, and even collected another ring or two with the Yankees, before, in another typical Cubs move, they brought him him back after he was used up, so he could suck for a year or two in a Cub uni before calling it quits.
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Koufax took a lot of grief for refusing to play on Yom Kippur.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=81573:date=Mar 4 2010, 04:45 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81561:date=Mar 4 2010, 04:19 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Mar 4 2010, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Also, Rodman came to the Bulls and *produced.* If the Bulls signed him and he sucked on the same level as Milton *and* acted like an asshat? You better believe it wouldn't have gone nearly as well.
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I agree with that. However, wasn't the gist of Bradley's interview specifically saying "They expected me to do things I'd never done, like hitting 30 homers when my career best was 22."

To me, that would be the equivalent of expecting Rodman to put up 20-25 points a game offensively when he came to the Bulls. That wasn't his game.

Bradley's game, in all the years of his career before he came to Chicago, was to play a little OF, stay healthy for 100 or so games, and put up a damn good OBP.
And that's exactly what he did.
He played 124 games, and put up a very solid .378 OBP (3rd on the team, only slightly behind stalwarts Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez). And he got into some controversy. In other words, a completely typical Milton Bradley year.
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So by typical, you mean his WORST full season since his first year as a starter? His worst full season in 7 years? His first full season in which he had an OPS under league average since 2002? His OPB was around his career average. But his slugging was almost 50 points below his career. It was lower than any other full season in his career. There was nothing "typical" about Bradley's 2009. It was a very bad year for him.

KB, you keep trying to make the point that getting rid of Bradley was a blunder. Like he was a minor nuisance that the Cubs didn't want to deal with, so they got rid of him. Again, to a man, NO ONE in the clubhouse liked him. EVERYONE in the clubhouse is happy he is gone. Not ONE SINGLE player has come out to defend him (that I know of) that was in the clubhouse last year. No one. Have you ever seen that? There usually is at least one or two guys who will come out and say it's a shame he was gone, or how we don't really know the guy, but no Cubs have done that. A player doesn't get that despised by teammates by simply mouthing off once in a while. That would lead you to believe that things were far worse behind the scenes than what we knew about.

[kbwsb]

BT, my post was that Bradley's only real strength was OBP, and that he put up a good OBP as a Cub.
As for the other stuff...
I dare you to tell me with a straight face that Hendry, while signing Milt to a 3-year deal, <i>had no idea</i> that the guy was kind of a dickheaded trouble-maker.

I'm not calling you out. You make a good point.
And I know that clubhouse harmony is a big deal for some people.
As for me, I don't care if they're fighting daily, screaming, banging each other's wives, cornholing Lou...I don't care <i>at all</i>.
I do care about the standings.

But I admit, I'm in the minority.

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=81602:date=Mar 4 2010, 06:18 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Moe Berg was one of the most interesting players ever, although not so hot on the diamond.
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Moe Berg was the SHIT.

"The Catcher Was a Spy..."

Beat that...Lutherans.

"SuperJew" Epstein...

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=81629:date=Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BT, my post was that Bradley's only real strength was OBP, and that he put up a good OBP as a Cub.
As for the other stuff...I dare you to tell me with a straight face that Hendry, while signing Milt to a 3-year deal, <i>had no idea</i> that the guy was kind of dickheaded trouble-maker.

I'm not calling you out. I know that clubhouse harmony is a big deal for some people.
As for me, I don't care if they're fighting daily, screaming, banging each other's wives, cornholing Lou...I don't care <i>at all</i>.
I care about the standings.

But I admit, I'm in the minority.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I'm not arguing that him being a dick was a surprise. I'm arguing that in all likelihood, it was much worse than anyone thought, and much worse than we know. His teammates, to a man as far as I know, hated him.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=81631:date=Mar 4 2010, 10:19 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Mar 4 2010, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81629:date=Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->BT, my post was that Bradley's only real strength was OBP, and that he put up a good OBP as a Cub.
As for the other stuff...I dare you to tell me with a straight face that Hendry, while signing Milt to a 3-year deal, <i>had no idea</i> that the guy was kind of dickheaded trouble-maker.

I'm not calling you out. I know that clubhouse harmony is a big deal for some people.
As for me, I don't care if they're fighting daily, screaming, banging each other's wives, cornholing Lou...I don't care <i>at all</i>.
I care about the standings.

But I admit, I'm in the minority.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


I'm not arguing that him being a dick was a surprise. I'm arguing that in all likelihood, it was much worse than anyone thought, and much worse than we know. His teammates, to a man as far as I know, hated him.
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Wait...you mean not just the white guys?

[kbwsb]

<!--quoteo(post=81634:date=Mar 4 2010, 10:31 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Mar 4 2010, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81631:date=Mar 4 2010, 10:19 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Mar 4 2010, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81629:date=Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I dare you to tell me with a straight face that Hendry, while signing Milt to a 3-year deal, <i>had no idea</i> that the guy was kind of a trouble-maker.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not arguing that him being a dick was a surprise. I'm arguing that in all likelihood, it was much worse than anyone thought, and much worse than we know. His teammates, to a man as far as I know, hated him.
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Wait...you mean not just the white guys?
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Fuk <i>loved</i> him. Everyone else hated his ass.

[rok]

And NO ONE expected him to hit 30 HR and 100+ RBI. That's insane and Bradley is lying.

[Coach]

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1. It would be good for Bradley to put the whole Cubs thing behind him.

2. That Bradley seems to accept no blame for what happened in Chicago provides a hint for how he could handle future situations in Seattle.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Fly]

<!--quoteo(post=81652:date=Mar 5 2010, 08:29 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Mar 5 2010, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->And NO ONE expected him to hit 30 HR and 100+ RBI.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I definitely didn't expect that. Because he's black.

[Baron]

I suggest not watching the segment on Milton Bradley on ESPN, apparently he got hate mail regularly, some with out stamps (which the interviewer implies could have come from inside the organization), and that he couldn't go out because he was verbally assaulted (he gives the example of being told to go back to the ghetto) whenever he was.

He also said the fans hate you if you aren't Superman like Ernie Banks. It's not Milton though, it is the mean city of Chicago.

[Ace]

I still don't get the guy.