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<!--quoteo(post=72277:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:31 PM:name=leonardsipes)-->QUOTE (leonardsipes @ Dec 18 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72254:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:16 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I would have rather paid $21M to a giant douche who might hit a little than $16M to a pitcher who will have us longing for Jason Marquis. We saved $6M. Great. There's a $2M buyout at the end of Silva's contract (I'm assuming we're not going to pick up his option). So we're saving $4M. Hendry's just going to spend that $4M on Scotty Pods. What's the fucking point? Silva is either going to get a fake injury, sit on the bench, or suck total ass every five days.
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The 6 mil savings includes the buy out. I am glad Bradly is gone. He played more than his career average games, and his OPS was not that far off his career, yet he was a bust production wise - not just personality wise. I think he is bad for the clubhouse, not because he is an asshole, but because his production is less than his numbers.
Just like the real world. We don't mind an asshole that does his job. We don't like the asshole that makes it look like he does his job, while we pick up the slack.
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Moises Alou had an off year his first year as a Cub. So did Derrek Lee. Most new Cubs take a year before they produce. Same might have been true with Bradley. But I guess we'll never find out.
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<!--quoteo(post=72284:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72271:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM:name=Quinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quinn @ Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->A buddy of mine just said, "I'd rather have Silva sucking every 5th day than Bradley sucking every day."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define "suck." Here's a way to do it in a factual manner...by comparing how a player performs compared to all other MLB players. It's called OPS+ for hitters, and ERA+ for pitchers. A score of 100 is baseline. Above 100, is good. Below 100, isn't that good. Over 125 is star-quality. Under 75 is hideous.
Bradley in 2008...161
Bradley in 2009...99
Silva in 2008...65
Silva in 2009...50
Bradley was average last year, and MVP-calibre the year before.
Silva just <i>sucks</i>.
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But Bradley is a jerk!
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<!--quoteo(post=72284:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72271:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM:name=Quinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quinn @ Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->A buddy of mine just said, "I'd rather have Silva sucking every 5th day than Bradley sucking every day."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define "suck." Here's a way to do it in a factual manner...by comparing how a player performs compared to all other MLB players. It's called OPS+ for hitters, and ERA+ for pitchers. A score of 100 is baseline. Above 100, is good. Below 100, isn't that good. Over 125 is star-quality. Under 75 is hideous.
Bradley in 2008-161
Bradley in 2009-99
Silva in 2008-65
Silva in 2009-50
Bradley was average last year, and MVP-calibre the year before.
Silva SUCKS fucking donkey dick.
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WE ALL FUCKING KNOW SILVA SUCKS. THAT ISN"T THE POINT AND YOU KNOW IT. Bradley HAD to be traded. There are no ifs ands or buts about it.
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<!--quoteo(post=72279:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:32 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Carlos Silva isn't a 5th starter, guys. He isn't even a major leaguer. All this "if he can be a decent 5th starter" stuff is pointless.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He only pitched in 8 games last year, there is a chance that there was an actual injury hampering him. If he can have an ERA around 5.00, he will be an average 5th starter in the NL.
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<!--quoteo(post=72286:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72284:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72271:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM:name=Quinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quinn @ Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->A buddy of mine just said, "I'd rather have Silva sucking every 5th day than Bradley sucking every day."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define "suck." Here's a way to do it in a factual manner...by comparing how a player performs compared to all other MLB players. It's called OPS+ for hitters, and ERA+ for pitchers. A score of 100 is baseline. Above 100, is good. Below 100, isn't that good. Over 125 is star-quality. Under 75 is hideous.
Bradley in 2008...161
Bradley in 2009...99
Silva in 2008...65
Silva in 2009...50
Bradley was average last year, and MVP-calibre the year before.
Silva just <i>sucks</i>.
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But Bradley is a jerk!
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He was more than just a jerk Butcher. You know this.
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<!--quoteo(post=72286:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72284:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72271:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM:name=Quinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quinn @ Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->A buddy of mine just said, "I'd rather have Silva sucking every 5th day than Bradley sucking every day."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define "suck." Here's a way to do it in a factual manner...by comparing how a player performs compared to all other MLB players. It's called OPS+ for hitters, and ERA+ for pitchers. A score of 100 is baseline. Above 100, is good. Below 100, isn't that good. Over 125 is star-quality. Under 75 is hideous.
Bradley in 2008...161
Bradley in 2009...99
Silva in 2008...65
Silva in 2009...50
Bradley was average last year, and MVP-calibre the year before.
Silva just <i>sucks</i>.
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But Bradley is a jerk!
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Oh yeah! How could I have forgotten? He wasn't nice, and he said a couple mean things.
Jettison the fucker!
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It really won't matter though. With or without Bradley, this team was going to suck in 2010, regardless. It isn't worth it to get worked up about it. Screw it. Let's see what other tricks Hendry has up his sleeve. Those new bathrooms and restaurants at the ballpark next season are gonna be dynamite.
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<!--quoteo(post=72282:date=Dec 18 2009, 03:34 PM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ Dec 18 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Fixed that for you, going by what I know about your shits.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=72289:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:38 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 18 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72286:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72284:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72271:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM:name=Quinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quinn @ Dec 18 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->A buddy of mine just said, "I'd rather have Silva sucking every 5th day than Bradley sucking every day."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define "suck." Here's a way to do it in a factual manner...by comparing how a player performs compared to all other MLB players. It's called OPS+ for hitters, and ERA+ for pitchers. A score of 100 is baseline. Above 100, is good. Below 100, isn't that good. Over 125 is star-quality. Under 75 is hideous.
Bradley in 2008...161
Bradley in 2009...99
Silva in 2008...65
Silva in 2009...50
Bradley was average last year, and MVP-calibre the year before.
Silva just <i>sucks</i>.
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But Bradley is a jerk!
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He was more than just a jerk Butcher. You know this.
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Yeah. He was a fucking asshole and I hated him. But I'd still rather have him than Carlos fucking Silva.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that the Cubs did not handle the Bradley situation well from the get-go. We can look at the suspension and all that at the end of the year, but they should have been able to do something about the situation before it got to that point, if it is really true that his teammates hated him, etc. Signing a guy to a big contract, who you know can have problems, not being able to deal with those problems, and then basically coming out and saying that you MUST trade the guy after suspending him=fucking yourself in the ass. The only advantage of this trade is that they saved a little money. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking. Unfortunately, in saving a little money, we now are missing a player who even in a bad year, is decent. This whole situation is such an epic fail on the part of the Cubs, it's pretty unbelievable.
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Yes, dk. <i>Epic</i> fail.
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That pretty much sums it up.
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Queue the 2008 Morrissey article proclaiming that Bradley is exactly what this team needs...
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<!--quoteo(post=72305:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:48 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 18 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72297:date=Dec 18 2009, 02:42 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Dec 18 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm going to go ahead and say that the Cubs did not handle the Bradley situation well from the get-go. We can look at the suspension and all that at the end of the year, but they should have been able to do something about the situation before it got to that point, if it is really true that his teammates hated him, etc. Signing a guy to a big contract, who you know can have problems, not being able to deal with those problems, and then basically coming out and saying that you MUST trade the guy after suspending him=fucking yourself in the ass. The only advantage of this trade is that they saved a little money. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking. Unfortunately, in saving a little money, we now are missing a player who even in a bad year, is decent. This whole situation is such an epic fail on the part of the Cubs, it's pretty unbelievable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That pretty much sums it up.
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I actually agree with a lot of that, but once the bridge was burned, there was no alternative. And this isn't about Silva, it's about getting rid of Bradley.
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<!--quoteo(post=72287:date=Dec 18 2009, 03:37 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 18 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->WE ALL FUCKING KNOW SILVA SUCKS. THAT ISN"T THE POINT AND YOU KNOW IT. Bradley HAD to be traded. There are no ifs ands or buts about it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seeing as how I've been removed from the daily media in Chicago (somewhat self-exiled), I'm willing to but the point that at this juncture, there is no way that Bradley could be playing for this team in 2009. My question is how the hell did it get this bad? You knew Bradley was a twat when you signed him to a risky deal. Basically, I see this as a case of Hendry losing the battle for Bradley's attention to the media and the fans who will boo anyone in a 1-15 slump. It was Hendry's job to make it clear that 3 years, $30 million dollars say "We want you on this ball club."
Should it be a GM's job to baby one of his players? Not ideally, but Hendry took this battle on and has proven that he wasn't up to the challenge. If only the whole situation were merely academic, where Hendry could shrug his shoulders and say, "Well, I tried. I guess there's no reaching the fucker." But this wasn't an exercise--it was a bad business move that ends up having the effect of getting two expensive years of Carlos Silva.
So maybe this deal is better than what could have been expected at this point; I honestly couldn't say because I didn't pay attention to how bad things got last year. But any decision that leads to two seasons of Silva just pisses me the fuck off. I was holding off on any Hendry hate until this played out. Now I feel he merits my scorn.
I'm sure he's quaking in his boots. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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