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<!--quoteo(post=73162:date=Dec 28 2009, 04:48 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 28 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73135:date=Dec 28 2009, 03:25 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 28 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->No, KB, you do hate everything he does and have for like 6 years now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is correct. I spent a week arguing with KB on Cubstalk about Hendry and his flavor of the month, Brian Sabean.
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Sabean-led Giants team finishes at the time of Cubstalk:
1997-1st place
1998-2nd
1999-2nd
2000-1st
2001-2nd
2002-NL pennant
2003-1st
2004-2nd
So yeah, his record looked decent. Later, when he decided to change his tactics, I heartily agreed with this board's prevailing wisdom that he had started believing his own press, and became a lousy GM. I mentioned it numerous times.
I would not want him as the Cub's GM. The game has changed too much, and he has not kept up with the changes, IMO. I have often said the same about Jim; in another time, he might have been a very effective GM.
BTW, some of this supposedly "KB hates Hendry no matter what" ridiculousness is so overblown simply because of basic philosophical differences.
So, if my basic belief is that <i>overpaying for middle relief is an unwise use of payroll</i> dollars, and Jim has the opposite view, it isn't a one-time clash of notions.
It means that I'll bitch about Eyre. And Howry. And Remlinger. And Alf the first. And Grabow. And Capps. And on and on. It doesn't mean I hate Hendry. It means I hate overspending on replacement-level middle relief.
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<!--quoteo(post=73163:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73161:date=Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I love the Grabow signing and hope that Capps is next. The Cubs were 2nd in the NL in QS last year, which was often wasted by the bullpen. If you think spending a little money to make the bullpen better is a bad idea, you're a numbskull.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...didn't Capps sign with the Nats last week?
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Yes.
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BTW, I have one major thing in common with Hendry, that Coach inadvertantly pointed out: we both overvalued the leaders of the SF Giants from 1997-on (me with Sabean, Hendry with Dusty Baker).
Neither of us "figured in" the effect of having the greatest offensive force in the history of the sport playing full time for that team. Without Bonds putting up those truly absurd, steroid-helped seasons, both Dusty and Sabean would look a lot less cool.
For fun: All-time highest seasons of OPS+
Rank Player (age that year) OPS+ Year
1. Barry Bonds (37) 268 2002
2. Barry Bonds (39) 263 2004
3. Barry Bonds (36) 259 2001
4. Babe Ruth (25) 256 1920
6. Babe Ruth (26) 239 1921
7. Babe Ruth (28) 239 1923
8. Ted Williams (22) 235 1941
9. Ted Williams (38) 233 1957
10. Barry Bonds (38) 231 2003
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<!--quoteo(post=73167:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:10 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 28 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73163:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73161:date=Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I love the Grabow signing and hope that Capps is next. The Cubs were 2nd in the NL in QS last year, which was often wasted by the bullpen. If you think spending a little money to make the bullpen better is a bad idea, you're a numbskull.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...didn't Capps sign with the Nats last week?
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Yes.
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Am I missing something then?
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Didn't see this posted, but according to Phil Rogers, Cubs may be interested in Fernando Perez of the Rays. Sounds like a Freddie Bynum like signing that Hendry loves - Weedy speedy guys who can't hit for shit...
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<!--quoteo(post=73171:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:25 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 28 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73167:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:10 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 28 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73163:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 28 2009, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73161:date=Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 28 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I love the Grabow signing and hope that Capps is next. The Cubs were 2nd in the NL in QS last year, which was often wasted by the bullpen. If you think spending a little money to make the bullpen better is a bad idea, you're a numbskull.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...didn't Capps sign with the Nats last week?
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Yes.
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Am I missing something then?
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You're missing the fact that I missed that, duh.
Either way, spending some cash to make the bullpen better is definitely not a bad idea and my overall point still stands.
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Looking to the future with eyes on the prize (World Series Championship), one question: Do you think Jim Hendry is the guy? Because for me, that's the only reason for anyone to be GM...because he's the guy.
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<!--quoteo(post=73166:date=Dec 28 2009, 06:05 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 28 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73162:date=Dec 28 2009, 04:48 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 28 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73135:date=Dec 28 2009, 03:25 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Dec 28 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->No, KB, you do hate everything he does and have for like 6 years now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is correct. I spent a week arguing with KB on Cubstalk about Hendry and his flavor of the month, Brian Sabean.
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Sabean-led Giants team finishes at the time of Cubstalk:
1997-1st place
1998-2nd
1999-2nd
2000-1st
2001-2nd
2002-NL pennant
2003-1st
2004-2nd
So yeah, his record looked decent. Later, when he decided to change his tactics, I heartily agreed with this board's prevailing wisdom that he had started believing his own press, and became a lousy GM. I mentioned it numerous times.
I would not want him as the Cub's GM. The game has changed too much, and he has not kept up with the changes, IMO. I have often said the same about Jim; in another time, he might have been a very effective GM.
BTW, some of this supposedly "KB hates Hendry no matter what" ridiculousness is is overblown simply because of basic philosophical differences.
So, if my basic belief is that <i>overpaying for middle relief is an unwise use of payroll</i> dollars, and Jim has the opposite view, it isn't a one-time clash of notions.
It means that I'll bitch about Eyre. And Howry. And Remlinger. And Alf the first. And Grabow. And Capps. And on and on. It doesn't mean I hate Hendry. It means I hate overspending on replacement-level middle relief.
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Yeah our discussion was more towards 2004
2004 2nd place
2005 3rd place
2006 3rd place
2007 5th place
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<!--quoteo(post=73176:date=Dec 28 2009, 06:52 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Looking to the future with eyes on the prize (World Series Championship), one question: Do you think Jim Hendry is the guy? Because for me, that's the only reason for anyone to be GM...because he's the guy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very well said. And I don't hate Hendry. But that was very well said.
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<!--quoteo(post=73166:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:05 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 28 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->So yeah, his record looked decent. Later, when he decided to change his tactics, I heartily agreed with this board's prevailing wisdom that he had started believing his own press, and became a lousy GM. I mentioned it numerous times.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes - he changed his strategy...he no longer allowed Barry Bonds to use steroids and Bonds went from being a 1.3-1.4 OPS (an OPS+ of over 260) to being a .275, one dimensional slugger, and the rest of his team followed suit.
Yes - a real change in strategy.
Brian Sabean, like the other GM in the bay, was created on the back of Balco. When baseball put an end to steroid shooting freaks, Sabean's strategery no longer worked. Yes KB - you are 100% right. You were right that Sabeans strategy of having the best cheater in the game was one that he should have stuck with longer, and then you were right to jump ship when he changed that stretegy - fucking brilliant Kabes.
And you are also right that investing money in relievers with a history of success is a bad idea. I mean, who wouldn't want to replicate last year's bullpen successes. Really - screw successful relievers, why not roll the dice with guys who may (or may not) be ready?
Just brilliant Kabes...
BTW - Sabean usually kept proven veteran relievers in his pen...
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<!--quoteo(post=73176:date=Dec 28 2009, 05:52 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Dec 28 2009, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Looking to the future with eyes on the prize (World Series Championship), one question: Do you think Jim Hendry is the guy? Because for me, that's the only reason for anyone to be GM...because he's the guy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a very different question than what this thread has been about, but a good one none-the-less. I say yes. He built a team that got pretty close in 03, built the team that was very good in 07 and 08. He can be the guy. So can a lot of other people. I wouldn't fire JH and eat 3 years of his contract when the team is already constrained from spending. If the plan is to get a proven winner in that role, the cost would be very high - and possibly prohibitive of other more important activities - like allowing that GM to get players.
I'm not a Hendry fan. But this club's biggest problems don't get solved by firing Hendry. In fact, they probably get made worse. Let Hendry stay for 2 more years to help to restructure the team. Have more managerial control from ownership - and let him do what he continues to do best - go out and identify undervalued and underused talent.
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Kid, either take responsibility for your postings or don't post. If you're going to spew this crap, fine. We all kind of miss it.
But put it under your own name.
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<!--quoteo(post=73196:date=Dec 28 2009, 11:07 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 28 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Kid, either take responsibility for your postings or don't post. If you're going to spew this crap, fine. We all kind of miss it.
But put it under your own name.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=73196:date=Dec 28 2009, 11:07 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 28 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Kid, either take responsibility for your postings or don't post. If you're going to spew this crap, fine. We all kind of miss it.
But put it under your own name.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Crap = whatever you don't agree with?
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Although its been fun, lets end the pissing match between KB and X.
Per MLB Trade Rumors dot com
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