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<!--quoteo(post=91247:date=Apr 20 2010, 01:07 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91244:date=Apr 20 2010, 02:00 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 20 2010, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Excuse my tunnel vision. I'm just used to Coach's responses in this thread being directed to my thoughts on Cashner.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just having some fun.
But the same can be said for Cashner as well.
I want the best players in our system to be available to our big league team. This babying of guys doesnt help or help them. Everyone will face some adversity, and the good ones will overcome it. We could have left Patterson in the minors for 3 more years, and he still wouldnt have been able to listen plate discipline.
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Believe me, I'm not for babying prospects. But, there is a reason they go through the minor leagues.
Castro for instance hasn't played much ball past A+. AA is where you really start seeing a lot of breaking balls, so I'd like to see him work on hitting a breaking ball before he's up with the Cubs. He's proving to be able to do just that, but it doesn't hurt to give him time to work on it rather than bringing him up and letting him learn on the fly.
That being said, if Castro was brought up tomorrow and got the majority of the starts at SS, I wouldn't complain. He's been challenged a few times by aggressive promotions and handled it very well.
Cashner is just a different animal all together. I really do want to see him get experience starting and maybe get a shot at the rotation next year. A starting pitcher is so much more valuable than a reliever and in my mind, you can't ask him to relieve this year and not expect him to need more time in the minors going forward if you ultimately want him to start. Get it out of the way this year and we can be set with a young power pitcher in the rotation for years to come starting next year.
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This team is built to win now. If we have a guy in the minors that could help our biggest weakness, then I say let's go for it.
With that, Im done with this topic.
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<!--quoteo(post=91254:date=Apr 20 2010, 01:42 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This team is built to win now. If we have a guy in the minors that could help our biggest weakness, then I say let's go for it.
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I don't think there's anything more to discuss. It sounds like a difference of opinion in that you feel the Cubs are able to compete this year, but will have to rebuild before competing again (correct if I'm wrong) where as I think with careful planning they will be able to sustain that competitive talent by plugging in minor league talent and utilizing money that will be freeing up over the next few years for <i>good</i> free agent signings.
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<!--quoteo(post=91239:date=Apr 20 2010, 11:56 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91236:date=Apr 20 2010, 01:55 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 20 2010, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91200:date=Apr 20 2010, 12:25 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Yeah because bringing him up would totally stunt his growth. What if he goes into a slump? What if he gets booed?
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What if he comes to spring training next year and has to be built up again which keeps him from starting the year in the rotation? And what if he makes the Cubs rotation next year and burns out at the end of July because he's not used to pitching a full baseball season?
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If Starlin is slated for our rotation next year, then we are in trouble.
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<!--quoteo(post=91254:date=Apr 20 2010, 02:42 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This team is built to win now. If we have a guy in the minors that could help our biggest weakness, then I say let's go for it.
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We'd be mediocre with or without a solid pen. We're so bad at defense it really wouldn't matter. We have no shot at the playoffs no matter what happens.
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<!--quoteo(post=91445:date=Apr 20 2010, 06:27 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Apr 20 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91254:date=Apr 20 2010, 02:42 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This team is built to win now. If we have a guy in the minors that could help our biggest weakness, then I say let's go for it.
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This team is not built to win now. We'd be mediocre with or without a solid pen. We're so bad at defense it really wouldn't matter.
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I believe what he means is, is that if we don't do it this year with this core, it won't happen.
I hate my pretentious sounding username too.
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If we had to chose between the current roster being setup to win now or in the future, it is obviously that our best chance is sooner rather than later.
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<!--quoteo(post=91468:date=Apr 20 2010, 08:44 PM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 20 2010, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If we had to chose between the current roster being setup to win now or in the future, it is obviously that our best chance is sooner rather than later.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One different guy in the bullpen is not going to make this team better. Even if Cashner came up and was lights out he couldn't pitch everyday. We would still have to deal with Grabow and his shittastic appearances.
I do believe that the defense would improve if we brought up Castro and moved Theriot to 2nd base, but I am still not sure it is going to help us that much.
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<b> April 20:</b>
![[Image: t451_logo_sm.gif]](http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/logo/t451_logo_sm.gif)
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Iowa (6-7) 3 3 0
Memphis (6-7) 4 7 1
WP: Matthew Scherer (1-0)
LP: Marcos Mateo (0-1)
SV: Pete Parise (2)
HR: IOW - Brad Snyder (1); MEM - Ruben Gotay (3)
Thomas Diamond: GS, 6.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER (2.25 ERA), 3 H, 3 BB, 4 K
Mateo: BS (1), 2.0 IP, 3 R, 3 ER (13.50 ERA), 4 H, 0 BB, 2 K
James Adduci: 1-3 (.231), 3B (1), BB, K, CS (1)<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
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Tennessee (10-2) 6 8 0
Carolina (6-6) 5 12 1
WP: Marco Carrillo (2-0)
LP: Dallas Buck (1-2)
SV: Jake Muyco (4)
HR: TEN - Starlin Castro (1); CAR - Sean Henry (2)
Christopher Carpenter: GS, 3.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER (3.00 ERA), 2 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Castro: 2-4 (.380), 2B (3), 2 RBI (12), 2 R
Tony Campana: 2-4 (.404), 3B (2), 2 R<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
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Daytona (5-8) 4 10 2
Dunedin (7-6) 6 10 1
WP: Daniel DeLucia (2-1)
LP: Alberto Cabrera (1-1)
SV: Matthew Daly (5)
Cabrera: GS, 4.0 IP, 6 R, 3 ER (2.20 ERA), 7 H, 2 BB, 3 K
Kyler Burke: 3-4 (.208), 3B (1), R
Matthew Spencer: 3-4 (.571), K<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
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Kane County (6-6) 7 10 6
Peoria (7-5) 8 14 1 (F/11)
WP: James Leverton (1-0)
LP: Josh Lansford (0-1)
Jeffry Antigua: GS, 3.2 IP, 5 R, 5 ER (5.93 ERA), 4 H, 5 BB, 6 K, E (1)
Justin Bour: 3-3 (.366), 2B (5), RBI (10), R, BB
Mario Mercedes: 2-4 (.421), 2 RBI (3)<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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Good to see Chris Carpenter back.
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Castro continues to destroy minor league pitching.
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<!--quoteo(post=91509:date=Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Castro continues to destroy minor league pitching.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, but he isnt ready yet. We have to keep him under lock and key to protect his talent.
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<!--quoteo(post=91512:date=Apr 21 2010, 08:16 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 21 2010, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91509:date=Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Castro continues to destroy minor league pitching.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, but he isnt ready yet. We have to keep him under lock and key to protect his talent.
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Maybe I'm missing something... but who has this opinion?
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<!--quoteo(post=91522:date=Apr 21 2010, 09:04 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 21 2010, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91512:date=Apr 21 2010, 08:16 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Apr 21 2010, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91509:date=Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Apr 21 2010, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Castro continues to destroy minor league pitching.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, but he isnt ready yet. We have to keep him under lock and key to protect his talent.
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Maybe I'm missing something... but who has this opinion?
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Jim Hendry?
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Yeah, but he isnt ready yet. We have to keep him under lock and key to protect his talent.
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Maybe I'm missing something... but who has this opinion?
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Jim Hendry?
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He's one, probably Lou, and Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus
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