Cubs fans aren't the only racists

[funkster]

Wasnt Dye also refusing to sign with anyone that was going to make him strictly a DH?

[rok]

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Well, maybe not sucky, but not at all great and nowhere near as good as they had been. The question is how does MLB make that point, especially as they deal with investigations of collusion. The only hope I see is encouraging the Howards and Sabathias to respond to Hudson's (and Torii Hunter's) accusations.
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Look over the stats of those mentioned. They are sucky compared to their career averages, at least in my mind.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

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Well, maybe not sucky, but not at all great and nowhere near as good as they had been. The question is how does MLB make that point, especially as they deal with investigations of collusion. The only hope I see is encouraging the Howards and Sabathias to respond to Hudson's (and Torii Hunter's) accusations.
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Look over the stats of those mentioned. They are sucky compared to their career averages, at least in my mind.
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Our argument is in semantics. I reserve "sucky" for Neifi-like performances and lower. I wouldn't offer any of the example players in that article--other than Dye--much more than league minimum.

[Fella]

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Yep. Thats been both Dye and O-Dog's problem. They both think they are better than they are. Dye wanted a high salary, every day starter, in the outfield job. There just wasn't one for him. He could have taken 3.3 mil from us and gotten his 300 ABs, or maybe even more, but he didn't. He probably would have got even more ABs from the Nats, but that wasn't good enough either. The A's approached him to DH and he didn't want to do that either.

Hudson, two years in a row also turned down offers all off-season, wanting more money. Last year he got benched down the stretch and in the playoffs for poor performance, and he still wanted 8 million and held out for it. The free agent market collapsed two years in a row, and he ended up having to take whatever was left.

They both could have good jobs making solid salaries if they weren't dumbasses.

[mindbodyspirit]

<!--quoteo(post=88624:date=Apr 13 2010, 02:50 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Apr 13 2010, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=88594:date=Apr 13 2010, 01:46 PM:name=funkster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (funkster @ Apr 13 2010, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wasnt Dye also refusing to sign with anyone that was going to make him strictly a DH?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yep. Thats been both Dye and O-Dog's problem. They both think they are better than they are. Dye wanted a high salary, every day starter, in the outfield job. There just wasn't one for him. He could have taken 3.3 mil from us and gotten his 300 ABs, or maybe even more, but he didn't. He probably would have got even more ABs from the Nats, but that wasn't good enough either. The A's approached him to DH and he didn't want to do that either.

Hudson, two years in a row also turned down offers all off-season, wanting more money. Last year he got benched down the stretch and in the playoffs for poor performance, and he still wanted 8 million and held out for it. The free agent market collapsed two years in a row, and he ended up having to take whatever was left.

They both could have good jobs making solid salaries if they weren't dumbasses.
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Dye should have taken the Cubs' money (and I think he'd probably do it in hindsight). O-Dog is way off base on this one, and race has little to do with it. Look at Hank Blaylock, a white dude who hit over 20HR a season for years, ending up signing a minor-league deal with the Rays. That's not racism, that's something else. Russell Branyan, coming off of 30+ HR, signing for a pay cutin Cleveland (a rebuilding team). No racism on that one. While I'll agree with Jacque Jones, LaTroy Hawkins, and even MadMan Milton about racism in the Bleachers of Wrigley (NEVER a reason to use the "N" word when booing a player), I can't say I saw a shred of truth in Hudson's views. Ask David Eckstein (and his 2 WS rings) how well he gets paid to play second base for the Padres... Not much to Hudson's views at all.

[Coach]

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Yep. Thats been both Dye and O-Dog's problem. They both think they are better than they are. Dye wanted a high salary, every day starter, in the outfield job. There just wasn't one for him. He could have taken 3.3 mil from us and gotten his 300 ABs, or maybe even more, but he didn't. He probably would have got even more ABs from the Nats, but that wasn't good enough either. The A's approached him to DH and he didn't want to do that either.

Hudson, two years in a row also turned down offers all off-season, wanting more money. Last year he got benched down the stretch and in the playoffs for poor performance, and he still wanted 8 million and held out for it. The free agent market collapsed two years in a row, and he ended up having to take whatever was left.

They both could have good jobs making solid salaries if they weren't dumbasses.
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Dye should have taken the Cubs' money (and I think he'd probably do it in hindsight). O-Dog is way off base on this one, and race has little to do with it. Look at Hank Blaylock, a white dude who hit over 20HR a season for years, ending up signing a minor-league deal with the Rays. That's not racism, that's something else. Russell Branyan, coming off of 30+ HR, signing for a pay cutin Cleveland (a rebuilding team). No racism on that one. While I'll agree with Jacque Jones, LaTroy Hawkins, and even MadMan Milton about racism in the Bleachers of Wrigley (NEVER a reason to use the "N" word when booing a player), I can't say I saw a shred of truth in Hudson's views. Ask David Eckstein (and his 2 WS rings) how well he gets paid to play second base for the Padres... Not much to Hudson's views at all.
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Dont forget about Jack Cust, who after hitting 25+ HR the last 3 years to lead the A's, being unclaimed on waivers and sent to AAA.

[mindbodyspirit]

In today's Tribune, Kosuke Fukodome was quoted as saying, "I have had many words that I have been called and (that) I have heard in the outfield. I just try to ignore as much as I can." I guess Jacque Jones, LaTroy Hawkins, and Milty aren't the only ones to get it out there with the slurrs.

[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shakehead.gif[/img] It's the 21st century, and some folks need to get over others having slightly different amounts of melanin, slightly different features, and have different cultures of origin. I live in a "foreign" culture, and know what it feels like to have a mother pull her children closer because the large, white man is coming... to have people move from their seat on the subway because the "foreigner" sat down next to them... to be discriminated against because my command of the local language is poor. Is it really necessary in this day and age?!? I expect it in a society that was closed for most of the last 3,000 years... what's the excuse in Chicago?

[Destined]

Give me a fucking break. White players in Japan hear a ton of shit, and 1000x worse then what Fukudome or Bradley's mind has heard.

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shakehead.gif[/img] It's the 21st century, and some folks need to get over others having slightly different amounts of melanin, slightly different features, and have different cultures of origin. I live in a "foreign" culture, and know what it feels like to have a mother pull her children closer because the large, white man is coming... to have people move from their seat on the subway because the "foreigner" sat down next to them... to be discriminated against because my command of the local language is poor. Is it really necessary in this day and age?!? I expect it in a society that was closed for most of the last 3,000 years... what's the excuse in Chicago?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I'm not certain that Fukudome is claiming to have heard racial epithets, but he does seem to confounded by the amount of booing and jeering Cub fans hurl at their own team.

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That said,

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This type of defense of bad behavior--"yeah, well, it's worse for whites in Japan"--is specious on its face. The fact is that a growing number of Cub outfielders from the last few years are less than enthusiastic of the treatment they get at the hands of their own fans. Whether the vitriol has been spewed in the form of a simple boo or in a racist slur, the time has probably come to stop defending the many idiots in the bleachers, no matter what your sensitivity is when racism is presented as a topic.

[rok]

Yeah, I missed the part where anything racial was implied. People need to stop digging for reasons to be outraged. Too much self-righteousness around here from time to time, so let's try not to jump to any conclusions unless there is an actual story here. That said, I won't defend the idiots in the bleachers, but making something out of nothing is another issue altogether.

[Rappster]

<!--quoteo(post=91126:date=Apr 20 2010, 01:22 AM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 20 2010, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Give me a fucking break. White players in Japan hear a ton of shit, and 1000x worse then what Fukudome or Bradley's mind has heard.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You're a fucking moron...

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=91171:date=Apr 20 2010, 09:17 AM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Apr 20 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91126:date=Apr 20 2010, 01:22 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 20 2010, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Give me a fucking break. White players in Japan hear a ton of shit, and 1000x worse then what Fukudome or Bradley's mind has heard.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You're a fucking moron...
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Sure am.