Z to the Pen

[Vine]

If it isn't a panic move, why not start Z out of the pen to start the season? Seems strange to me.

[BT]

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Because Lilly was on the DL.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=91740:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:06 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Apr 21 2010, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91739:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:05 PM:name=Vine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vine @ Apr 21 2010, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If it isn't a panic move, why not start Z out of the pen to start the season? Seems strange to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because Lilly was on the DL.
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I'm not claiming it's not a panic move, just that there was no reason to try it before Lilly came off the DL (and Silva and Gorzelany pitched well).

[Clapp]

<!--quoteo(post=91741:date=Apr 21 2010, 03:07 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Apr 21 2010, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91740:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:06 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 21 2010, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91739:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:05 PM:name=Vine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vine @ Apr 21 2010, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If it isn't a panic move, why not start Z out of the pen to start the season? Seems strange to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because Lilly was on the DL.
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I'm not claiming it's not a panic move, just that there was no reason to try it before Lilly came off the DL (and Silva and Gorzelany pitched well).
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If they're sold on Silva and Gorzelanny already, that's a serious problem in itself.

[Clapp]

Wittenmyer's Twitter: <!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Z says wants to help team but calls move temporary. 'Like Schwarzngr say, I will be back.'<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[bz]

Let's move Murton to 2nd.

In all honesty, this is a dumb fucking idea. Bring up Cashner and move Gorz to the pen. If the offense hadn't been struggling for 2 weeks (1/12 of the season) the pen would be less of a concern, although still a concern. This is knee-jerk and crazy. I wonder if Lou's been chattin with LaRussa lately?

[dk123]

This is just terrible. This may be the worst move I have ever heard of. Z has been pretty good this season except for the first start......If anyone should be going to the pen, it's Gorzellany or Silva....why would you put one of your 2 or 3 best pitchers in relief...especially a guy with enough good pitches to face a lineup multiple times. Also, like Destined said, Z tends to struggle the most in the first inning. I really really hate this reactionary bullshit. Yes, the pen has not been good, but frankly, the offense is the far bigger concern, and the pen is something that should get sorted out/improve when Lilly is back and as the season goes on and the roles are figured out. You can't fuck with stuff so much so quickly, it's just dumb...it's like Lou is a pissed off fan, as opposed to the manager. Just put the best lineup, and starters out there that is possible, and hope it works out in the long run, rather than switching everything up. This is like putting vagisil on an itchy scrotum and expecting relief.

[Destined]

<!--quoteo(post=91726:date=Apr 21 2010, 01:59 PM:name=biggz)-->QUOTE (biggz @ Apr 21 2010, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91720:date=Apr 21 2010, 03:56 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 21 2010, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=91712:date=Apr 21 2010, 03:54 PM:name=ColoradoCub)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ Apr 21 2010, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Lou says this may not be a temporary thing<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Lou says 'fucking magnets. how do they work?'
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Request: Photoshop of Lou wearing juggalo paint.
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[The Dude]

The only possible silver lining I see- with Z being a righty, they can still send Shark down.

[phan]

<!--quoteo(post=91746:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:13 PM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ Apr 21 2010, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This is like putting vagisil on an itchy scrotum and expecting relief.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


No, that actually works.

[dk123]

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No, that actually works.
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Goddamn it. Go lick an anus!

[Rappster]

Does anyone remember when Billy Martin put Dave Righetti in the pen...when Righetti was a top starter?

Lou was with the Yankees then...smacks of the same thing.

I hate the move...unless it works.

The 7th and 8th are an infernal mess right now.

Just asking...do you like it, if it works?

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=91754:date=Apr 21 2010, 04:20 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Apr 21 2010, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Does anyone remember when Billy Martin put Dave Righetti in the pen...when Righetti was a top starter?

Lou was with the Yankees then...smacks of the same thing.

I hate the move...unless it works.

The 7th and 8th are an infernal mess right now.

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I love it if it works.


It won't fucking work.

[funkster]

I cannot believe I follow this team. What a bunch of clowns. Seriously.

[Rappster]

I think it buys them time to pull the bullpen together...

I think it gives us the possibility of locking down the 7th and 8th, and with Marmol...turning it into a six-inning game.

I don't think it's long-term.

Still feels like shit.