Fire Lou

[Brock]

I still can't get over the fact that Theriot is batting 1st or 2nd every day.

[willis]

<!--quoteo(post=105654:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM:name=Brock)-->QUOTE (Brock @ Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I still can't get over the fact that Theriot is batting 1st or 2nd every day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Or playing at all. maybe other than a little more speed, what does he give that Fontenot doesn't??

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=105658:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:10 PM:name=willis)-->QUOTE (willis @ Jul 15 2010, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105654:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I still can't get over the fact that Theriot is batting 1st or 2nd every day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Or playing at all. maybe other than a little more speed, what does he give that Fontenot doesn't??
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About 3 inches...

[VanSlawAndCottoCheese]

<!--quoteo(post=105658:date=Jul 15 2010, 05:10 PM:name=willis)-->QUOTE (willis @ Jul 15 2010, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105654:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jul 15 2010, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I still can't get over the fact that Theriot is batting 1st or 2nd every day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Or playing at all. maybe other than a little more speed, what does he give that Fontenot doesn't??
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He'll bring a slightly better prospect in return in the inevitable trade he's being showcased for.

[Ace]

Wait - there are people who still believe the Fukudome contract was not outrageous the day it was signed? I won't get into the whole hindsight part of this (obviously the deal sucked) or the merits of signing him at all (I was opposed to signing him at all - "Fuk-Flop").

But even if we place ourselves in that moment, and decided we HAVE to sign him, I'm pretty sure there were not any reported offers out there that topped $40 million. The Cubs gave him $48 million.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=105667:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wait - there are people who still believe the Fukudome contract was not outrageous the day it was signed? I won't get into the whole hindsight part of this (obviously the deal sucked) or the merits of signing him at all (I was opposed to signing him at all - "Fuk-Flop").

But even if we place ourselves in that moment, and decided we HAVE to sign him, I'm pretty sure there were not any reported offers out there that topped $40 million. The Cubs gave him $48 million.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BT mentioned this before, and I do recall that it was reported at the time that the Sox offered Fuk a few $ million more than we did, yet he still chose to sign here. I personally wouldn't use that bit of info to justify the signing as a prudent or fiscally responsible one, but it isn't ridiculous to assume that other teams felt he was worth the money at the time.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=105669:date=Jul 15 2010, 05:42 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 15 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105667:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wait - there are people who still believe the Fukudome contract was not outrageous the day it was signed? I won't get into the whole hindsight part of this (obviously the deal sucked) or the merits of signing him at all (I was opposed to signing him at all - "Fuk-Flop").

But even if we place ourselves in that moment, and decided we HAVE to sign him, I'm pretty sure there were not any reported offers out there that topped $40 million. The Cubs gave him $48 million.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BT mentioned this before, and I do recall that it was reported at the time that the Sox offered Fuk a few $ million more than we did, yet he still chose to sign here. I personally wouldn't use that bit of info to justify the signing as a prudent or fiscally responsible one, but it isn't ridiculous to assume that other teams felt he was worth the money at the time.
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I believe I recall that those reports were shot down. Could be wrong.

[cherp]

<!--quoteo(post=105674:date=Jul 15 2010, 05:07 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105669:date=Jul 15 2010, 05:42 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 15 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105667:date=Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wait - there are people who still believe the Fukudome contract was not outrageous the day it was signed? I won't get into the whole hindsight part of this (obviously the deal sucked) or the merits of signing him at all (I was opposed to signing him at all - "Fuk-Flop").

But even if we place ourselves in that moment, and decided we HAVE to sign him, I'm pretty sure there were not any reported offers out there that topped $40 million. The Cubs gave him $48 million.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BT mentioned this before, and I do recall that it was reported at the time that the Sox offered Fuk a few $ million more than we did, yet he still chose to sign here. I personally wouldn't use that bit of info to justify the signing as a prudent or fiscally responsible one, but it isn't ridiculous to assume that other teams felt he was worth the money at the time.
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I believe I recall that those reports were shot down. Could be wrong.
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At the time, Ken Williams said he offered more than Fuk took. I'm not sure that was ever refuted. I know Sox fans were unhappy about it at the time. The story was that Fuk wanted to be the first Japanese player on his team and he didn't want to follow Iguchi and Takatsu.

Here's what was said at the time - if you have something more recent that refutes it - I'd be interested.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3151725

[Ace]

I can't find anything to refute it with a quick Google search. It's in my head, though, for some reason.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=105688:date=Jul 15 2010, 06:22 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I can't find anything to refute it with a quick Google search. It's in my head, though, for some reason.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Everything I ever heard is that the White Sox offered more.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=105689:date=Jul 15 2010, 07:55 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 15 2010, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105688:date=Jul 15 2010, 06:22 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I can't find anything to refute it with a quick Google search. It's in my head, though, for some reason.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Everything I ever heard is that the White Sox offered more.
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My recollection was that it didn't come out until a while after he signed - months later, after everyone had been assuming they offered as much/more. Like I said, I can't find anything about it, though.

[BT]

I'd say that it seems pretty obvious that at worst, the Cubs offer was comparable to the Padres and White Sox, and there seems to be no evidence that it was excessive.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=105692:date=Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd say that it seems pretty obvious that at worst, the Cubs offer was comparable to the Padres and White Sox, and there seems to be no evidence that it was excessive.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Assuming:

(1) the early reports of a comparable White Sox offer were legit;

(2) we're taking hindsight completely out of the equation; and

(3) you were in favor of signing Fuk in the first place (in which case, if you were opposed, signing him for more than ten bucks would have been excessive).

Shrug. I thought the deal sucked balls when it was signed, and I think it didn't take long for that to be confirmed.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=105696:date=Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105692:date=Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd say that it seems pretty obvious that at worst, the Cubs offer was comparable to the Padres and White Sox, and there seems to be no evidence that it was excessive.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Assuming:

(1) the early reports of a comparable White Sox offer were legit;

(2) we're taking hindsight completely out of the equation; and

(3) you were in favor of signing Fuk in the first place (in which case, if you were opposed, signing him for more than ten bucks would have been excessive).

Shrug. I thought the deal sucked balls when it was signed, and I think it didn't take long for that to be confirmed.
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I think you're both right. The problem isn't that they overpaid, it's that they paid.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=105696:date=Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105692:date=Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd say that it seems pretty obvious that at worst, the Cubs offer was comparable to the Padres and White Sox, and there seems to be no evidence that it was excessive.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Assuming:

(1) the early reports of a comparable White Sox offer were legit;

(2) we're taking hindsight completely out of the equation; and

(3) you were in favor of signing Fuk in the first place (in which case, if you were opposed, signing him for more than ten bucks would have been excessive).

Shrug. I thought the deal sucked balls when it was signed, and I think it didn't take long for that to be confirmed.
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I think you're both right. The problem isn't that they overpaid, it's that they paid.