Fukubyebye?

[1060Ivy]

Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=102485:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM:name=1060Ivy)-->QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wasn't making so much, he wouldn't be a problem at all as a platoon player. All things considered, he is a waste of a roster spot, that would be better served on another team.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=102486:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102485:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM:name=1060Ivy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wasn't making so much, he wouldn't be a problem at all as a platoon player. All things considered, he is a waste of a roster spot, that would be better served on another team.
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Fuk has to get significant starts until he can be dealt. If he's made a bench player it just depresses his value further.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=102490:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:52 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 22 2010, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102486:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102485:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM:name=1060Ivy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wasn't making so much, he wouldn't be a problem at all as a platoon player. All things considered, he is a waste of a roster spot, that would be better served on another team.
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Fuk has to get significant starts until he can be dealt. If he's made a bench player it just depresses his value further.
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The more he plays and inevitably sees his numbers decline from month-to-month, that depresses his value even further than that.

[mindbodyspirit]

<!--quoteo(post=102490:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:52 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 22 2010, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102486:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102485:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM:name=1060Ivy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wasn't making so much, he wouldn't be a problem at all as a platoon player. All things considered, he is a waste of a roster spot, that would be better served on another team.
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Fuk has to get significant starts until he can be dealt. If he's made a bench player it just depresses his value further.
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Every GM in baseball already knows that the Cubs need to dump Fukodome. Even if he starts every game and pulls his battiing average up to the .300+ range, adds 5 HR, and he cures cancer, we're still not going to get much for him and we're not going to get anything but (at absolute BEST) 50% salary relief. It doesn't matter. Fukodome isn't starting as much because Colvin needs playing time, not because Fukodome is sucking ass (though his BA over the last months has dipped).

It's like trying to trade Milton Bradley... when everyone knows you MUST make a trade, you get offers like (a) you pay 80% of his salary and we'll take him for a PTBNL, ([img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] take an expensive one-dimensional player (Burrell) and pay us the salary difference, or take on an even more cumbersome contract that looks even more hopeless. JH spun shit into gold that time... maybe he can do it again with Fukodome. But I maintain his starting time, or lack thereof, has not much bearing on the situation. If us knuckle-heads here know Fukodome's not starting to get Colvin at-bats', I think every MLB franchise has a scouting department that can tell them the same things we know, too.

[CUB5]

<!--quoteo(post=102486:date=Jun 22 2010, 05:44 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 22 2010, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102485:date=Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM:name=1060Ivy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Jun 22 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not implying that Fuk is a problem but trading him for salary relief/decent prospects could definitely be part of the overall solution for 2011. 2010 is a pretty much a lost cause<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wasn't making so much, he wouldn't be a problem at all as a platoon player. All things considered, he is a waste of a roster spot, that would be better served on another team.
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I agree - trade him now and give Colvin the playing time!

[Coach]

Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.

[jstraw]

<!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:29 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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If the sole benefit is more starts for Colvin, that's not good enough. If we get something and meaningful salary relief then it's worth it.

[Coach]

<!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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Well it doesnt appear that people are beating down the door to trade for him, if the reports are correct.

Am I the only one not completely sold on Colvin yet?
(Not that this really matters)

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=102548:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM:name=Coach)-->QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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Well it doesnt appear that people are beating down the door to trade for him, if the reports are correct.

Am I the only one not completely sold on Colvin yet?
(Not that this really matters)
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I'm not at all sold on Colvin.

[rok]

Oh, I'm not even close to being sold on Colvin either, but it's clear that Fuk has no future here. I'd rather see if Colvin fails and give him every opportunity to do so than go with Fuk's disappearing act for another year, when that does nothing to help plan for the future. I don't think anyone is advocating just dumping him for nothing.

[bz]

<!--quoteo(post=102549:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:36 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 23 2010, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102548:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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Well it doesnt appear that people are beating down the door to trade for him, if the reports are correct.

Am I the only one not completely sold on Colvin yet?
(Not that this really matters)
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I'm not at all sold on Colvin.
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Why? He's doing so well in his first season with only 120 something at bats against favorable matchups after having a marginal minor league career after a hot spring training. I mean...we have such a good track record with minor leaguers...why wouldn't you be sold on him?

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=102549:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:36 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 23 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102548:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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Well it doesnt appear that people are beating down the door to trade for him, if the reports are correct.

Am I the only one not completely sold on Colvin yet?
(Not that this really matters)
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I'm not at all sold on Colvin.
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Define "sold on." Do you mean as a certain future starter for years and years? If so, then I agree.

If "sold on" just means that he's a MLB caliber player - starter or otherwise - then I'm definitely sold.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=102622:date=Jun 23 2010, 04:55 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 23 2010, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102549:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:36 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 23 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102548:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102545:date=Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=102544:date=Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jun 23 2010, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is he overpaid? Yes
Is he a problem? No
Will trading him for nothing while paying most of his salary be a good idea? Doubt it<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming we get nothing in return and the salary relief won't matter. Otherwise, all we have is an expensive bench player.
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Well it doesnt appear that people are beating down the door to trade for him, if the reports are correct.

Am I the only one not completely sold on Colvin yet?
(Not that this really matters)
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I'm not at all sold on Colvin.
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Define "sold on." Do you mean as a certain future starter for years and years? If so, then I agree.

If "sold on" just means that he's a MLB caliber player - starter or otherwise - then I'm definitely sold.
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I guess my "sold on" means he'll be an above-average corner OFer. We're set at his spot and don't have to worry about trading or signing someone at his position. That sort of thing.

If "sold on" means he could be a fine 4th OFer, then I might be sold on him.