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Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.
As an aside, who the fuck cares if he has an NTC? Why in God's name would we be trying to trade him? He sucks, so trading him now would be asinine, as you'd be trading him at his low point. If he got really really good, we wouldn't want to trade him, as the Cubs will still have control over him for a few years.
If we were good, AND shark was good, AND another team wanted him AND he was the the lone thing standing between us and getting a guy who could put us over the top, then I could understand us cursing his NTC. None of those things are happening.
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<!--quoteo(post=109177:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:02 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.
As an aside, who the fuck cares if he has an NTC? Why in God's name would we be trying to trade him? He sucks, so trading him now would be asinine, as you'd be trading him at his low point. If he got really really good, we wouldn't want to trade him, as the Cubs will still have control over him for a few years.
If we were good, AND shark was good, AND another team wanted him AND he was the the lone thing standing between us and getting a guy who could put us over the top, then I could understand us cursing his NTC. None of those things are happening.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So this whole thing of yours has been a gag all along?
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If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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I'm not saying they have brain damage. Complaining about perks doesn't make you stupid. And of course, if Hendry had paid 20 million it would be remarkable. I don't see how that is a counter argument though. He DIDN'T give him 20 million. He gave him 10 million and an NTC. That is unremarkable. Especially when you consider Shark was considered roughly a first round talent, AND had the NFL as leverage.
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Is it inconceivable that a 5th round pick that probably belonged in the NFL and not MLB might have a.) not been drafted in the first place and b.) once it became an even slightly expensive proposition, not be signed?
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Cubs, hendry and trib screwed up with shark but the signing did put bunch of dome heads in the seats/renewing seasons tix so I don't believe the signing cost the organization as much as most think
Plus those idiots from Valpo keep going to games. I graduated from Valpo High many, many years ago and parents still live there.
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<!--quoteo(post=109184:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:41 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is it inconceivable that a 5th round pick that probably belonged in the NFL and not MLB might have a.) not been drafted in the first place and b.) once it became an even slightly expensive proposition, not be signed?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's duplicative to question the contract because of football and when he was drafted. If he was just a pitcher, he probably would have been a high first round pick. He dropped to where he did because teams thought he might go to the NFL thereby causing them to waste a pick.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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<!--quoteo(post=109186:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:47 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 31 2010, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109184:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:41 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is it inconceivable that a 5th round pick that probably belonged in the NFL and not MLB might have a.) not been drafted in the first place and b.) once it became an even slightly expensive proposition, not be signed?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's duplicative to question the contract because of football and when he was drafted. If he was just a pitcher, he probably would have been a high first round pick. He dropped to where he did because teams thought he might go to the NFL thereby causing them to waste a pick.
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The possibility that he might have played football made him more expensive to sign but it didn't make him a better pitcher. That's the paradox. A smart GM wouldn't have competed with the NFL for his services. Once he was gonna cost more than his talent and track record warranted, it should have been "pass." The bottom line is that he was signed for way too much and the explanation that this is what it cost to keep him out of the NFL draft can never and could never make him worth that contract.
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Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.
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<!--quoteo(post=109181:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109177:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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Once again...I don't recall a lot of bitching about this when it happened.
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<!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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<!--quoteo(post=109132:date=Jul 31 2010, 08:55 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109131:date=Jul 31 2010, 09:44 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Jul 31 2010, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Given how he's pitched in Iowa, and the fact that we're paying him $3.5 million this year, I don't know why they don't call up Samardzija to start instead of Diamond. What do we have to lose?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's mind-boggling, unless he's just really, really pissed the organization off for some reason. It's clear he has no trade value right now, and he's not going to rehabilitate the value in AAA... so, you said it perfectly: what do they have to lose by starting Samardzija?
I'm fine with Diamond getting a chance (or Jackson), but, it's weird.
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I'm guessing it's only because it closer to Diamond's scheduled day to pitch than it is to Samardzija's. Of course, if Diamond gets more than one or two starts without a look at Shark, then yeah, it's pretty weird.
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<!--quoteo(post=109189:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:15 PM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Jul 31 2010, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109181:date=Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 31 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109177:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 31 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Man, I feel like a broken record. Samardzija's NTC is quite possibly the MOST justifiable one Hendry gave out. Samardzija had an enormous amount of leverage when we picked him. He could get selected in the first round of the NFL draft. In order to negate that leverage, Hendry had to overpay him, AND give him the NTC. That's just how it is. It's rather unremarkable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If Samardzija had asked for $20 million ($30, $40, etc. million) in order to sway him from playing in the NFL, and Hendry had given it to him, would it still be unremarkable?
Of course not. It's a matter of drawing lines - at some point, Samardzija's demands would have been too much. Was $10 million and an NTC too much? I don't know. But I certainly wouldn't act as though folks who believe that was too much have brain damage.
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Once again...I don't recall a lot of bitching about this when it happened.
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I don't remember a whole lot of celebration either.
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<!--quoteo(post=109190:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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First off...Matt Damon has one of the most remarkable minds on the planet, and does complex mathematical algorithms for fun, so I'm pretty freaking sure he could do your taxes. Add this to the cool factor of actually having Will Hunting calculate your exemptions, and I'm down for paying a few extra bucks.
However, your argument misses because the examples don't line up. Playing in the NFL has roughly the same pay scale and allure of playing Major League Baseball. Accounting typically does not...so, in this case, you've compared being a rich, international film star to having a day job at H&R Block.
Hendry was bidding against an equally enticing potential career choice...
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<!--quoteo(post=109201:date=Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Aug 1 2010, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109190:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 31 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=109188:date=Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 31 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just for reference, Golden Tate of Notre Dame signed with the Seahawks for four years worth just north of $3.5M with not all of it being guaranteed. He was a 2nd rounder, and very comparable to Shark. Add in the fact that Clausen gets just $2M in guaranteed money, and you see why Shark is playing baseball. That said, despite having to pay out his NFL career, Hendry did so based on 1st Round NFL money, which Shark was banking on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Matt Damon was say, a skilled accountant...you should pay him what he'd make for his next film to do your taxes for you because otherwise, it's not worth his while?
How about you just say...no, it's still only worth the cost of any other tax preparer to me and then you let Matt go make his movie?
Yeah, you have to pay the opportunity costs to someone that you want to make a career change...but that's what make it a shit deal. Shark's pitching skills aren't worth more than another guy with the same skills but that doesn't play football.
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First off...Matt Damon has one of the most remarkable minds on the planet, and does complex mathematical algorithms for fun, so I'm pretty freaking sure he could do your taxes. Add this to the cool factor of actually having Will Hunting calculate your exemptions, and I'm down for paying a few extra bucks.
However, your argument misses because the examples don't line up. Playing in the NFL has roughly the same pay scale and allure of playing Major League Baseball. Accounting typically does not...so, in this case, you've compared being a rich, international film star to having a day job at H&R Block.
Hendry was bidding against an equally enticing potential career choice...
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If competing with the Vikings was no more expensive than competing with the Mets for his services, there would be no issue. Football players make major sports coin from day one. They don't spend 4 years barnstorming in East Jesus. A Strasburg comes along once or twice a decade. The number of ballplayers that it's not stupid to pay millions to in their very first professional contract is a very small number.
The fact is, Hendry paid Matt Damon money for Ben Affleck, hell..<i>.Casey</i> Affleck ROI.
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