05-03-2010, 10:01 PM
<!--quoteo(post=94474:date=May 3 2010, 06:27 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ May 3 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94472:date=May 3 2010, 06:19 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 3 2010, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94467:date=May 3 2010, 05:56 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ May 3 2010, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94464:date=May 3 2010, 05:44 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 3 2010, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94447:date=May 3 2010, 04:15 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 3 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->In Henderson's record-setting year (130 in 1982) he was caught stealing 42 times. He was picked off or caught in a run-down 14 times.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd say that a guy who steals 130 bases is basically running wild, no? Like, in a way that absolutely nobody in history has ever done.
<b>Question</b>: do you guys actually think that guys who get picked off first are NEVER caught napping?
-That they're all extremely heads-up ballplayers who are simply physically incapable of getting back to first base all the time?
-That it's 100% a skill, and some guys just don't have the physical skill?
-That unlike other parts of the game, where there is blatant evidence of a player who's head is in the clouds (throwing the ball in the stands with only 2 outs, etc.) , these type of players <i>never</i> make mental mistakes when on first base?
Is that the line of reasoning?
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Dude, there isn't anybody saying guys never get caught napping, nor is there anyone saying that when someone gets caught napping it isn't a mental mistake. The point is, a lot of the time, when someone gets picked off, it's because they're leaning towards second trying to get a better jump in order to steal second. And that isn't a mental mistake.
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Well, of course I agree with that. That's obvious.
But even in the situation you described, depending on the circumstances, it can be a mental error. There are many times in a game when having a runner on base is hugely important, and the player should not be taking <i>any</i> risk.
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That's what coaches and managers are for. If a guy has the green light, that's a managing decision. Yes, of course guys get caught being stupid <b>but the argument that I'm having with Tommy is over whether or not every guy picked off is guilty of a mental error. he says yes and I say no.</b> It's a battle that sometimes a runner loses. That doesn't make it stupid every time he loses.
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Wow, Dude I'm not saying every pickoff is a mental error. I'm not saying that at all.
Often times it is though, and to include getting picked off in a piece about poor baserunning and mental errors, really isn't that big a deal. That's all I'm saying.
I'd say that a guy who steals 130 bases is basically running wild, no? Like, in a way that absolutely nobody in history has ever done.
<b>Question</b>: do you guys actually think that guys who get picked off first are NEVER caught napping?
-That they're all extremely heads-up ballplayers who are simply physically incapable of getting back to first base all the time?
-That it's 100% a skill, and some guys just don't have the physical skill?
-That unlike other parts of the game, where there is blatant evidence of a player who's head is in the clouds (throwing the ball in the stands with only 2 outs, etc.) , these type of players <i>never</i> make mental mistakes when on first base?
Is that the line of reasoning?
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Dude, there isn't anybody saying guys never get caught napping, nor is there anyone saying that when someone gets caught napping it isn't a mental mistake. The point is, a lot of the time, when someone gets picked off, it's because they're leaning towards second trying to get a better jump in order to steal second. And that isn't a mental mistake.
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Well, of course I agree with that. That's obvious.
But even in the situation you described, depending on the circumstances, it can be a mental error. There are many times in a game when having a runner on base is hugely important, and the player should not be taking <i>any</i> risk.
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That's what coaches and managers are for. If a guy has the green light, that's a managing decision. Yes, of course guys get caught being stupid <b>but the argument that I'm having with Tommy is over whether or not every guy picked off is guilty of a mental error. he says yes and I say no.</b> It's a battle that sometimes a runner loses. That doesn't make it stupid every time he loses.
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Wow, Dude I'm not saying every pickoff is a mental error. I'm not saying that at all.
Often times it is though, and to include getting picked off in a piece about poor baserunning and mental errors, really isn't that big a deal. That's all I'm saying.
Wang.