04-05-2010, 01:52 PM
<!--quoteo(post=85961:date=Apr 5 2010, 10:51 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 5 2010, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=85881:date=Apr 5 2010, 12:47 AM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 5 2010, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=85872:date=Apr 4 2010, 09:53 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 4 2010, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=85854:date=Apr 4 2010, 09:26 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Apr 4 2010, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=85848:date=Apr 4 2010, 07:11 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 4 2010, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=85780:date=Apr 4 2010, 02:02 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Apr 4 2010, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->we don't have the ability to replace a Lee, Ramirez, Marmol, or Soto either.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lee can be replaced by Nady, Ramirez can be bandaged with Baker/Tracy, and we actually have two decent MLB ready offensive catchers to take some of Soto's ABs if needed in Clevenger and Chirinos. Marmol I disagree on, but that's mostly my opinion and I don't expect anyone to agree with me there.
Believe it or not, we're not in bad shape if we lose a guy or two for a bit to injury. I can't say the same for the Cardinals when they have 28 year old minor leaguers for depth.
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Not a Wellington fan at catcher?
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Well, for one thing he's not major league ready. For another, I am very down on him. The only things he really has going for him is a strong arm and intermittent power. He has terrible plate discipline, does not make very much contact on the ball, and is not a very good defender. I think he could be yanked off of the 40 man roster before the end of this year. He's only just turning 23 though, so it maybe it's too soon to make such a move.
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Well looking at there stats...they all look blah.
This Robinson Chirinos guy you like is turning 26, and in his career has only played 92 in AA while hitting just .239 in those games with 2 measly bombs. He had a great 2009 with 11 homers and 47 rbi in 69 games in Daytona, with an OBP of .400. But at almost 26, and only having success in A ball, I doubt he will ever amount to anything.
Steve Clevenger put up subpar Koyie Hill numbers in AAA and only threw out 20% of runners. Blah, I wouldn't call that MLB ready.
Wellington Castillo had similar production to Chirinos, with a lot smaller of an average and OBP. He's three years younger and snagged 44% of runners.
I see what you're saying. Chirinos had the best year, but I need to see him put up the same numbers at AA and AAA for me to be convinced he's worth anything. I just have little hope in the system at all looking at those numbers. Then again, Soto was a late bloomer, so who knows. I think if Soto goes down, we're fucked.
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Chirinos and Clevenger are infielders that have converted to catcher. It's a big reason Chirinos particularly hasn't played in the upper levels yet. However, he's the best defensively of those guys now and he has very good plate discipline.
Clevenger has always hit and the only question mark has been his arm and fielding. His fielding has gotten much better and has surpassed Castillo's. The 20% pickoff rate is telling on his progress his arm has made. Still, I think he would be a very serviceable callup and would complement Hill very well.
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We'll see. It could be worse, I just would rather not lose Soto for a prolonged period of time.
Lee can be replaced by Nady, Ramirez can be bandaged with Baker/Tracy, and we actually have two decent MLB ready offensive catchers to take some of Soto's ABs if needed in Clevenger and Chirinos. Marmol I disagree on, but that's mostly my opinion and I don't expect anyone to agree with me there.
Believe it or not, we're not in bad shape if we lose a guy or two for a bit to injury. I can't say the same for the Cardinals when they have 28 year old minor leaguers for depth.
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Not a Wellington fan at catcher?
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Well, for one thing he's not major league ready. For another, I am very down on him. The only things he really has going for him is a strong arm and intermittent power. He has terrible plate discipline, does not make very much contact on the ball, and is not a very good defender. I think he could be yanked off of the 40 man roster before the end of this year. He's only just turning 23 though, so it maybe it's too soon to make such a move.
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Well looking at there stats...they all look blah.
This Robinson Chirinos guy you like is turning 26, and in his career has only played 92 in AA while hitting just .239 in those games with 2 measly bombs. He had a great 2009 with 11 homers and 47 rbi in 69 games in Daytona, with an OBP of .400. But at almost 26, and only having success in A ball, I doubt he will ever amount to anything.
Steve Clevenger put up subpar Koyie Hill numbers in AAA and only threw out 20% of runners. Blah, I wouldn't call that MLB ready.
Wellington Castillo had similar production to Chirinos, with a lot smaller of an average and OBP. He's three years younger and snagged 44% of runners.
I see what you're saying. Chirinos had the best year, but I need to see him put up the same numbers at AA and AAA for me to be convinced he's worth anything. I just have little hope in the system at all looking at those numbers. Then again, Soto was a late bloomer, so who knows. I think if Soto goes down, we're fucked.
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Chirinos and Clevenger are infielders that have converted to catcher. It's a big reason Chirinos particularly hasn't played in the upper levels yet. However, he's the best defensively of those guys now and he has very good plate discipline.
Clevenger has always hit and the only question mark has been his arm and fielding. His fielding has gotten much better and has surpassed Castillo's. The 20% pickoff rate is telling on his progress his arm has made. Still, I think he would be a very serviceable callup and would complement Hill very well.
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We'll see. It could be worse, I just would rather not lose Soto for a prolonged period of time.
I hate my pretentious sounding username too.