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Ibanez to Phillies
<!--quoteo(post=5823:date=Dec 18 2008, 03:42 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 18 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=5819:date=Dec 18 2008, 03:22 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 18 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Abreu could be a nice #3 hitter (if we finally drop Lee down to #5 where he belongs) and I think he'd be at least adequate in RF. He's my 2nd choice after Bradley.

My biggest problem with Abreu is his asking price.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rok,
I would actually be interested in a serious answer from you about this question: why would you prefer we sign Abreu for, say 3 years, when we could Dunn for about the same price.
I consider you to be a highly intelligent fellow; plus, you work with <i>numbers</i> for a living.

Ties:
-they both are super-picky hitters who annoy folks who think they should swing more often.
Yet both guys average 100 RBI's every year.
-they both are bad fielders. Dunn is coming off a year where he improved his fielding by quite a bit, and Abreu is coming off a year where his fielding tanked. Abreu has a better rep with the glove, but he's also much older, and is declining rapidly. I'd say about even.
-they are both slow and lumbering, yet competent on the basepaths. (although Dunn is both more intimidating (for DP break-ups), and younger.

Advantage Abreu:
-name one.

Advantage Dunn:
-hits twice as many home runs as Abreu does. Literally, double the amount.
-is six years younger. Thus, instead of being past his prime, like Abreu, he's at the peak of his prime.
-three years from now, he'll be 31, while Abreu will be 37 or 38.

If you just don't like the way he looks, or he once dated your sister or something, that's a perfectly fine answer for why you don't want him on the Cubs.
But is there an actual <i>baseball</i> answer?
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Dunn is just not my ideal ballplayer for this team. I don't disagree with many of your points (though Abreu averages 20 SB a season, and Dunn never comes close to that, and Abreu IMO is still a better RF with a much stronger arm from what I've seen with my own eyes and from career #s), and Abreu isn't by any means perfect and is getting older too (5 year difference in age actually). I just like Abreu in a shorter contract. I don't see Dunn getting much better once he hits his 30s, and I would never want to sign him long term.
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Ibanez to Phillies - by ruby23 - 12-12-2008, 09:17 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Ace - 12-12-2008, 09:19 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by ruby23 - 12-12-2008, 09:20 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-12-2008, 09:29 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-12-2008, 09:48 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by sleepyhead - 12-12-2008, 09:53 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by sleepyhead - 12-12-2008, 10:01 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Scarey - 12-12-2008, 10:03 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Ace - 12-12-2008, 11:27 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by Lance - 12-12-2008, 03:16 PM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by ruby23 - 12-14-2008, 02:31 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by Coldneck - 12-16-2008, 09:40 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-16-2008, 03:07 PM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-16-2008, 03:09 PM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 11:39 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 11:47 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-17-2008, 11:49 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 11:55 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Fella - 12-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 11:59 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-17-2008, 11:59 AM
Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-17-2008, 12:08 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 12:11 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-17-2008, 12:14 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Butcher - 12-17-2008, 12:29 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-17-2008, 12:38 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Fella - 12-17-2008, 01:20 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-17-2008, 01:59 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by veryzer - 12-17-2008, 02:51 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by HTC - 12-18-2008, 03:19 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Destined - 12-18-2008, 03:24 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by kbwsb - 12-18-2008, 04:12 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Destined - 12-18-2008, 05:06 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-18-2008, 05:22 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Rappster - 12-18-2008, 05:39 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by kbwsb - 12-18-2008, 05:42 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-18-2008, 05:44 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by rok - 12-18-2008, 05:50 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Runnys - 12-18-2008, 08:37 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Runnys - 12-18-2008, 08:38 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by cigar - 12-18-2008, 08:58 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-18-2008, 09:13 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Scarey - 12-16-2008, 07:58 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by Clapp - 12-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Ibanez to Phillies - by BT - 12-16-2008, 08:02 PM
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