03-04-2010, 10:04 PM
<!--quoteo(post=81608:date=Mar 4 2010, 06:35 PM:name=AnnoCatuli)-->QUOTE (AnnoCatuli @ Mar 4 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=81030:date=Mar 1 2010, 05:01 AM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Mar 1 2010, 05:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If and when Vlad makes it to the HOF will you be mad that he makes it as an Expo?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I completely forgot about Vlad when they were talking about the Expos and remaining HOF players. I was only thinking of Tim Rock Raines
No, he became a start with the Expos.
The bigger question is if Clemens gets in. Red Sox or Yankees
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Vlad would definitely go in as an Expo. Indeed, his case is quite similar to Dawson's.
With Clemens, it's not even close; his best years were definitely with the Red Sox, that's where he made his name, that's where he won his MVP, etc.
Besides, he won Cy Youngs for both the Astros and the Blue Jays, so I don't see how the Yankees would even be in the discussion. (at least the HOF won't let it happen. As you've probably noticed, Clemens has campaigned to go in as a Yankee, which, to me, is just one more example of him being an asshole.)
It certainly will be a weird day when Clemens, Bonds, etc. all get voted on (didn't they retire the same time?) Will the steroid stuff have worn off at all by then? Those two are especially interesting cases, because they were 1st-ballot locks even <i>before</i> they took a single steroid.
Now they probably won't get in for decades.
I completely forgot about Vlad when they were talking about the Expos and remaining HOF players. I was only thinking of Tim Rock Raines
No, he became a start with the Expos.
The bigger question is if Clemens gets in. Red Sox or Yankees
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Vlad would definitely go in as an Expo. Indeed, his case is quite similar to Dawson's.
With Clemens, it's not even close; his best years were definitely with the Red Sox, that's where he made his name, that's where he won his MVP, etc.
Besides, he won Cy Youngs for both the Astros and the Blue Jays, so I don't see how the Yankees would even be in the discussion. (at least the HOF won't let it happen. As you've probably noticed, Clemens has campaigned to go in as a Yankee, which, to me, is just one more example of him being an asshole.)
It certainly will be a weird day when Clemens, Bonds, etc. all get voted on (didn't they retire the same time?) Will the steroid stuff have worn off at all by then? Those two are especially interesting cases, because they were 1st-ballot locks even <i>before</i> they took a single steroid.
Now they probably won't get in for decades.
There's nothing better than to realize that the good things about youth don't end with youth itself. It's a matter of realizing that life can be renewed every day you get out of bed without baggage. It's tough to get there, but it's better than the dark thoughts. -Lance