Ibanez to Phillies

[Clapp]

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These are their career 162 game averages:

Dunn:
137 hits, 40 HR, 29 2B, 96 RBI, 114 BB, 180 K, 3 SF

Sosa:
166 hits, 42 HR, 26 2B, 115 RBI, 64 BB, 159 K, 5 SF

Pretty fucking close, really.

Sosa averaged about 30 more hits per season, but Dunn averages about 50 more walks. Dunn hits more doubles, they hit about the same amount of homers, Sosa hit about 19 more RBI, and struck out about 21 fewer times.

I'm not arguing that Dunn is as good of a player as Sosa was -- he isn't. But it isn't as far off as you might think...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


now compare them in their primes. sosa was pretty shitty his first few years. then he became exactly like dunn is now, but with speed and better fielding, then he became something that dunn will never be.

compare them in their primes. it's way more far off than you may think.
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Yeah -- Dunn will never have a season like Sosa did in the late 90s/early 00s -- but that was a different era. If Dunn played during that same period (yeah -- he was a rookie in 2001), who knows?

Anyway, I'm comparing Dunn to one of the most prolific offensive players to ever put on a uniform. And the fact that I can even make an argument should tell you something.
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But the only time Sosa was so prolific was between 1998 and 2002, and Dunn has never been even remotely close to what Sosa did for those 5 years.

Those are the kinda of ridiculous comparisons that have caused all the Dunn hate.
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Indeed.
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All I'm trying to do is respond to the folks who think Dunn has no value. That's just insane.

And I don't care if people "hate" Dunn or not. Hate away.
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Dunn has value without question for teams in need of power and guys that get on base, especially in the American League where you don't have to worry about his defense.

We should be the last team interested in him with the way we're built. A couple years ago, that might not be the case.