01-07-2010, 02:55 PM
<!--quoteo(post=74479:date=Jan 7 2010, 11:34 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jan 7 2010, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74454:date=Jan 7 2010, 11:16 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 7 2010, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74400:date=Jan 6 2010, 07:35 PM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Jan 6 2010, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Veryzer...just curious, what is your rationale behind Blyleven not being a HOFer?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blyleven pitched in a pitcher friendly era and never dominated at any point in his career. Never lead the league in wins, never lead the league in ERA, only lead the league once in strike outs and complete games. He was a solid pitcher but not even in the top ten of his era and maybe not even in the top 20 (though I'd have to look that up to be sure). No way he belongs.
And I realize that wins/losses are a "team stat" but the fact of the matter is, the <b>great pitchers win games</b>. Blyleven won a lot of games, but he lost nearly as many, and as an old timer, i have to count that against him.
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Blyleven played on a terrible team for the vast majority of his career. Your bolded comment above is total bullshit. Pitching wins really is a worthless stat to measure the skill of a pitcher. I don't know if Blyleven should be a HOFer or not, but your reasoning is totally flawed. You are cherry picking stats to make your argument. Take his career as a whole and you'll see that he was underappreciated 25 years ago and is still underappreciated today.
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Ok, first off, his win total is fine. It's his loss total that bothers me. Secondly, that's just a small part of why i wouldn't vote for him. I stated the other reasons earlier in the post.
Great pitchers win games. I have no doubt in my mind that had Maddux stayed his entire career with the cubs, he still would've won 300 games. Seriously, how many shitty pitchers have won 200 games? A few, but not many. How many great ptchers didn't win 200 games. Koufax? He would've if he didn't quit. Not many others.
But none of that matters. what matters is that Blyleven was a solid pitcher, but not an elite pitcher. He was never dominant. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Blyleven pitched in a pitcher friendly era and never dominated at any point in his career. Never lead the league in wins, never lead the league in ERA, only lead the league once in strike outs and complete games. He was a solid pitcher but not even in the top ten of his era and maybe not even in the top 20 (though I'd have to look that up to be sure). No way he belongs.
And I realize that wins/losses are a "team stat" but the fact of the matter is, the <b>great pitchers win games</b>. Blyleven won a lot of games, but he lost nearly as many, and as an old timer, i have to count that against him.
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Blyleven played on a terrible team for the vast majority of his career. Your bolded comment above is total bullshit. Pitching wins really is a worthless stat to measure the skill of a pitcher. I don't know if Blyleven should be a HOFer or not, but your reasoning is totally flawed. You are cherry picking stats to make your argument. Take his career as a whole and you'll see that he was underappreciated 25 years ago and is still underappreciated today.
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Ok, first off, his win total is fine. It's his loss total that bothers me. Secondly, that's just a small part of why i wouldn't vote for him. I stated the other reasons earlier in the post.
Great pitchers win games. I have no doubt in my mind that had Maddux stayed his entire career with the cubs, he still would've won 300 games. Seriously, how many shitty pitchers have won 200 games? A few, but not many. How many great ptchers didn't win 200 games. Koufax? He would've if he didn't quit. Not many others.
But none of that matters. what matters is that Blyleven was a solid pitcher, but not an elite pitcher. He was never dominant. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Wang.