01-06-2010, 05:08 PM
<!--quoteo(post=74352:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:59 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jan 6 2010, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74343:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:30 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Jan 6 2010, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74342:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:28 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jan 6 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74339:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:23 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jan 6 2010, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74337:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:21 PM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Jan 6 2010, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=74335:date=Jan 6 2010, 02:17 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jan 6 2010, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->He's in. the only one. How did Alomar not make it? How does Tim Raines only get 30 percent of the vote. How does Dale Murphy only get 11?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can't figure Alomar, Blyleven, Raines, and even Larkin...I thought it might be a big class.
Murphy was so awesome...but, he didn't maintain. He did, however, have all-world intangibles. Sort of akin to Mattingly.
Blyleven is a mystery. He has nearly first-ballot numbers. People don't give longevity enough credit.
Alomar must have been crushed because of the spitting incident.
And Raines? I just don't get it...he's ALMOST Lou Brock.
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I agree. Very odd outcome. Can't wait to read Posnanski on this.
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Tim Raines is not a Hall of Famer. Not even close. You can make arguments for the rest, though I'd disagree, but not Raines. He had a few real good years and then was average for a long long time.
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I agree. I vote no on Rock Raines.
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So just to be clear, Dawson is clearly a Hall of Famer, but Raines, who played in the same era, and had a better OPS+ is "not even close" to being Hall worthy?
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Dawson had more H, RBI, 2B, and HR. I realize Raines wasn't a power hitter, just saying.
I think the main reason Dawson made the Hall was because of his MVP season, and Raines didn't have one of those.
Raines was a very good player but no, I don't think he's hall worthy. Dawson was borderline and he finally made it, Raines isn't getting in.
I can't figure Alomar, Blyleven, Raines, and even Larkin...I thought it might be a big class.
Murphy was so awesome...but, he didn't maintain. He did, however, have all-world intangibles. Sort of akin to Mattingly.
Blyleven is a mystery. He has nearly first-ballot numbers. People don't give longevity enough credit.
Alomar must have been crushed because of the spitting incident.
And Raines? I just don't get it...he's ALMOST Lou Brock.
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I agree. Very odd outcome. Can't wait to read Posnanski on this.
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Tim Raines is not a Hall of Famer. Not even close. You can make arguments for the rest, though I'd disagree, but not Raines. He had a few real good years and then was average for a long long time.
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I agree. I vote no on Rock Raines.
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So just to be clear, Dawson is clearly a Hall of Famer, but Raines, who played in the same era, and had a better OPS+ is "not even close" to being Hall worthy?
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Dawson had more H, RBI, 2B, and HR. I realize Raines wasn't a power hitter, just saying.
I think the main reason Dawson made the Hall was because of his MVP season, and Raines didn't have one of those.
Raines was a very good player but no, I don't think he's hall worthy. Dawson was borderline and he finally made it, Raines isn't getting in.
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