12-11-2008, 05:18 AM
<!--quoteo(post=3643:date=Dec 11 2008, 02:43 AM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 11 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3640:date=Dec 11 2008, 03:33 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 11 2008, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I semi-agree with all of your points. (except the obvious mistake that Lilly was better than Peavy last year).
Still, Cy-caliber aces are a lot harder to come by than journeyman utility guys who the chicks dig. Did you see what the Yanks are paying Sabathia?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lilly was better than Peavy. Look at the parks they're pitching at. Could you imagine how good Lilly would be if all those homers he gave up stayed in the park at Petco? That's the advantage Peavy gets.
On the road in 08
Lilly- 10-4, 3.77 ERA, .243 BAA
Peavy- 5-6, 4.28 ERA, .258 BAA
Lilly is not the better pitcher, but he was this year.
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] What is this, a Kid argument? Hmm, let's switch things around a little, shall we?
At home in 2008:
Peavy 1.74 ERA
T.Lilly 4.50 ERA (!)
Or let's bypass that stuff, and use a statistic that was <i>specifically invented</i> so as to eliminate "park effects:" ERA+
Peavy 134
Lilly 109
Thus, with the ERA+ stat, Peavy is harshly penalized for playing half his games in Petco, yet he still puts up an ERA+ that's Top 10 in the NL (in an off year), and obliterates his competition (in this case Lilly).
Dude, I love Mr. Ted Lilly. I have since the instant that Jim coaxed him into a Cub uni while gasping for life on a hospital gurney.
But I don't think you realize that Jake Peavy is in an entirely different class of pitcher. Like, up there with Brandon Webb, and Johan Santana, and Tim Linceum. You know...the type of guys who bring home the Cy. The type of guys you want on the hill for Game 1 of a series, and definitely Game 7.
Peavy is <i>that</i> guy.
Still, Cy-caliber aces are a lot harder to come by than journeyman utility guys who the chicks dig. Did you see what the Yanks are paying Sabathia?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lilly was better than Peavy. Look at the parks they're pitching at. Could you imagine how good Lilly would be if all those homers he gave up stayed in the park at Petco? That's the advantage Peavy gets.
On the road in 08
Lilly- 10-4, 3.77 ERA, .243 BAA
Peavy- 5-6, 4.28 ERA, .258 BAA
Lilly is not the better pitcher, but he was this year.
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[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] What is this, a Kid argument? Hmm, let's switch things around a little, shall we?
At home in 2008:
Peavy 1.74 ERA
T.Lilly 4.50 ERA (!)
Or let's bypass that stuff, and use a statistic that was <i>specifically invented</i> so as to eliminate "park effects:" ERA+
Peavy 134
Lilly 109
Thus, with the ERA+ stat, Peavy is harshly penalized for playing half his games in Petco, yet he still puts up an ERA+ that's Top 10 in the NL (in an off year), and obliterates his competition (in this case Lilly).
Dude, I love Mr. Ted Lilly. I have since the instant that Jim coaxed him into a Cub uni while gasping for life on a hospital gurney.
But I don't think you realize that Jake Peavy is in an entirely different class of pitcher. Like, up there with Brandon Webb, and Johan Santana, and Tim Linceum. You know...the type of guys who bring home the Cy. The type of guys you want on the hill for Game 1 of a series, and definitely Game 7.
Peavy is <i>that</i> guy.
There's nothing better than to realize that the good things about youth don't end with youth itself. It's a matter of realizing that life can be renewed every day you get out of bed without baggage. It's tough to get there, but it's better than the dark thoughts. -Lance