Soriano is awful

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I don't know if I could stomach bringing back the same team for another try next season.
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So you want to just trade Lilly, Lee, and company for blah prospects? They have 1 year left on their deals, we're not going to get much for either of them. Where's that going to get us? This team is built to win now still, you don't blow it up. Whenever you have a team that's on paper very capable of winning a championship, you take your shot. ESPECIALLY when you haven't won in over 100 years.

If we had a Roy Halladay and had a mediocre or worse team on paper, then you deal the guy for a boatload of prospects. We don't have a player like that who is going to bring much in return anyway.

It's all just fantasyland. You guys are nuts if you think there's ANY chance of such a thing happening. It's a new ownership coming in and their first year on the job is the most important. <b>They have to show the fans they are committed to winning or they're going to get trashed immediately. </b>You have thousands of season ticket holders and fans around the world to please. A roster filled with a few very good players and a bunch of AAA players isn't going to do that.
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I don't want to trade just Lee and Lilly. I want to trade everyone. Z, Ramirez, Soto, Fukudome, etc. Everyone.

Burning it down and rebuilding from top to bottom would show me that they are committed to winning. Anything else is putting a band-aid on an axe wound.
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Ramirez and Soto are irreplaceable, even with tons of prospects. I don't see how we get better at those positions, trading them only adds time to potentially winning. I may be naive, but I see Ricketts following the John Henry model. When he got to Boston, they already had most of the chips. All they did to win the first title was tinker a little now on the big club, and rebuild the organization. David Ortiz was the only major acquisition for the that Henry brought there. Guys like Bill Mueller and company were just part of the small tinkers.

We're very much so in the same position as they were in 2002. They had tons of talent, but couldn't piece it all together. They had a core of Pedro, Manny and Johnny Damon. We have Zambrano, Aramis and Lee. It's very similar, we don't need to do much. Of course Soriano is an eyesore, but we can still try to add talent around him. Would I love to trade him? Yes, but it's impossible, so we have to try other things. Bradley is probably the only outfielder that can be moved right now in my mind. Fukudome means too much to this team, and it's hard to trade a Japanese player.