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Soriano is awful
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I wonder if new ownership is going to clean house from the top down, and really rebuild? That would be interesting. I don't see it happening - but it could be. If they want to eat a large chunk, they might even be able to get a decent prospect for Soriano.
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I'm very anxious to see what Ricketts' plans are. I really hope he takes a page out of the Red Sox's book. If he goes with a true rebuild right out of the box, there could be some backlash from the fan base. But at this point, I think it's the right thing to do.
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I think you can balance it out where you semi-rebuild by restocking the farm system and shedding a few bad contracts, while still remaining competitive at the same time. I just can't see a full-on rebuilding process taking place, at least not yet.
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How would you go about doing that? Not saying it is impossible - just curious how you would suggest doing it with this roster/farm/organization.
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I'm not sure, but if you can trade some of the bigger contracts away from a few real prospects, re-focus on player development, free away some payroll, and retain the core of the team, you could accomplish a great deal.

Didn't the Sox just do this, though they depleted a great deal of their farm system in the process?

Too bad we aren't the Red Sox, because what they've done is exactly what I would want. How they balance all those areas is very impressive. I don't expect the Cubs to be able to pull it off, but I'd like to see them try.
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Not sure what the Sox did...Their farm system was a wreck two years ago. It's much better today than it was then. They gave up Poreda and Richard (both of whom look like #4/#5s or pen guys to me along with Russel who looks like a 4A guy and Carter (23 yo in A). They kept nearly all their big prospects. Williams did add a lot to the farm in the past 2 years. Signed the Cuban Viciedo, drafted well (Hudson), acquired Flowers for Javy, etc. His moves for Rios and Peavy are very questionable. I'm not going to celebrate either yet. They have potential to be good or bad. But next year he has to replace Thome, get a #5 starter (Hudson?) make a call on Dye's option and start to look at replacements for AJ and Konerko. I'm not sure he has really rebuilt this team on the fly. He retooled - but rebuilding requires (IMHO) a lot more.

Most fans don't have the patience for a complete rebuild. It's hard for a team to do it. The Cubs right now are in a rare situation where they can. Ownership will have tons of rope with the fans. They can set a clear vision/direction and the fans will support it - at least for a while. Complete housecleaning may not be the worst thing in the world.
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Soriano is awful - by Coldneck - 06-05-2009, 09:37 PM
Soriano is awful - by veryzer - 06-05-2009, 10:31 PM
Soriano is awful - by Coldneck - 06-05-2009, 10:36 PM
Soriano is awful - by Andy - 06-05-2009, 10:44 PM
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Soriano is awful - by ruby23 - 06-06-2009, 12:54 AM
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Soriano is awful - by Destined - 06-07-2009, 03:20 PM
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Soriano is awful - by BackyardLegend - 06-08-2009, 08:24 AM
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Soriano is awful - by rok - 06-08-2009, 02:31 PM
Soriano is awful - by BackyardLegend - 06-09-2009, 08:38 AM
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