07-14-2009, 01:39 PM
<!--quoteo(post=49815:date=Jul 14 2009, 12:36 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Jul 14 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49811:date=Jul 14 2009, 12:32 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 14 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Is the argument that Manny is so much better than Sosa that he'll be able to leapfrog the steroid taint and that Sammy won't?
I think if steroids are going to keep people out of the Hall (and it appears that it will -- look at McGwire), then it needs to keep everyone out. Including Manny. Manny is a first-ballot HOFer, numbers-wise. But so is Sosa. And...if steroids are keeping people out of the Hall, then nobody who played during that time should be Hall-eligible. Why? Because everyone was juicing. I'm not saying that makes it right, but nobody can tell me that there's a player on that list who didn't do at least one or two cycles of steroids. That includes Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Junior, and probably even the Crime Dog.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're proposing that nobody from the steroid era gets in?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No.
I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to keep a select few players out (Raffy, McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, etc.) and put others in (whoever you think might not have juiced). Because everyone juiced.
Sosa should be in. First ballot. McGwire (as much as I dislike him) should be in already. Clemens should be in. First ballot.
You can't exclude certain guys because of PEDs unless you want to exclude everyone.
I think if steroids are going to keep people out of the Hall (and it appears that it will -- look at McGwire), then it needs to keep everyone out. Including Manny. Manny is a first-ballot HOFer, numbers-wise. But so is Sosa. And...if steroids are keeping people out of the Hall, then nobody who played during that time should be Hall-eligible. Why? Because everyone was juicing. I'm not saying that makes it right, but nobody can tell me that there's a player on that list who didn't do at least one or two cycles of steroids. That includes Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Junior, and probably even the Crime Dog.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're proposing that nobody from the steroid era gets in?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No.
I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to keep a select few players out (Raffy, McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, etc.) and put others in (whoever you think might not have juiced). Because everyone juiced.
Sosa should be in. First ballot. McGwire (as much as I dislike him) should be in already. Clemens should be in. First ballot.
You can't exclude certain guys because of PEDs unless you want to exclude everyone.