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HOF - Or Not? - Andy - 07-13-2009
Just a list of guys and whether or not you believe they'll make the HOF.
Jim Thome
Frank Thomas
Fred McGriff
Manny Ramirez
Jeff Bagwell
Sammy Sosa
Gary Sheffield
Rafael Palmeiro
Ken Griffey Jr.
Chipper Jones
HOF - Or Not? - Destined - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HOF - Or Not? - vitaminB - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:13 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just a list of guys and whether or not you believe they'll make the HOF.
Jim Thome Yes
Frank Thomas No
Fred McGriff No
Manny Ramirez Yes
Jeff Bagwell No
Sammy Sosa No
Gary Sheffield No
Rafael Palmeiro No
Ken Griffey Jr. Yes
Chipper Jones Yes<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Caveat: I did zero research. I went with the old gut test, cause that's all I need.
HOF - Or Not? - veryzer - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
HOF - Or Not? - jstraw - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49627:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:25 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 13 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
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n/m
HOF - Or Not? - vitaminB - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49627:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:25 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 13 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
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He's got time to shake the stigma. Unfortunately for Sammy the last impression anyone is going to have is going to be his name on the list.
HOF - Or Not? - veryzer - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49628:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:27 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jul 13 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49627:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:25 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 13 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
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'roids?
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that's precisely my point.
HOF - Or Not? - Destined - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49627:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:25 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 13 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
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Ramirez was still good before steroids, and he has less of a bad repuation than Sammy.
HOF - Or Not? - Coldneck - 07-13-2009
Manny has two Championships and was/is a much better player for much longer.
HOF - Or Not? - kbwsb - 07-13-2009
Sosa's top 10 most similar players throughout history:
Ken Griffey (869)
Mike Schmidt (858) *
Reggie Jackson (841) *
Gary Sheffield (827)
Harmon Killebrew (822) *
Eddie Mathews (822) *
Mickey Mantle (821) *
Willie Stargell (820) *
Willie McCovey (807) *
Ernie Banks (806) *
*denotes Hall Of Famer
If Manny skates by despite the steroid issue, then Sammy goes in with flying colors.
HOF - Or Not? - Brock - 07-13-2009
Jim Thome NO
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez NO
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES
HOF - Or Not? - Butcher - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49641:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Sosa's top 10 most similar players throughout history:
Ken Griffey (869)
Mike Schmidt (858) *
Reggie Jackson (841) *
Gary Sheffield (827)
Harmon Killebrew (822) *
Eddie Mathews (822) *
Mickey Mantle (821) *
Willie Stargell (820) *
Willie McCovey (807) *
Ernie Banks (806) *
*denotes Hall Of Famer
If Manny skates by despite the steroid issue, then Sammy goes in with flying colors.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Sosa's numbers were ridiculous. If Manny gets in so should Sosa.
HOF - Or Not? - Coldneck - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49645:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49641:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Sosa's top 10 most similar players throughout history:
Ken Griffey (869)
Mike Schmidt (858) *
Reggie Jackson (841) *
Gary Sheffield (827)
Harmon Killebrew (822) *
Eddie Mathews (822) *
Mickey Mantle (821) *
Willie Stargell (820) *
Willie McCovey (807) *
Ernie Banks (806) *
*denotes Hall Of Famer
If Manny skates by despite the steroid issue, then Sammy goes in with flying colors.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Sosa's numbers were ridiculous. If Manny gets in so should Sosa.
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Both have Hall of Fame numbers aided by PEDs. But if you were to compare the 2 Manny has had a much better career.
HOF - Or Not? - veryzer - 07-13-2009
<!--quoteo(post=49632:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:29 PM:name=Destined)-->QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49627:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:25 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 13 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49624:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 13 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49619:date=Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 13 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa NO
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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why "yes" to ramirez but "no" to sosa?
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Ramirez was still good before steroids, and he has less of a bad repuation than Sammy.
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how the hell do you know when ramirez started taking steroids? look, i can see where you wouldn't want sammy in. i don't agree with it, but i get it. but if you're going to keep him out, then you have to keep ramirez out. it can't be one or the other. that's just insane. MANNY WAS CAUGHT ! there's no way one can be let in and not the other.
the fact of the matter is, whether we like it or not, every player on that list deserves to get in except for mcgriff. all of them. they were the best of their eras.
HOF - Or Not? - rok - 07-13-2009
Jim Thome YES
Frank Thomas YES
Fred McGriff NO
Manny Ramirez YES
Jeff Bagwell NO
Sammy Sosa YES
Gary Sheffield NO
Rafael Palmeiro NO
Ken Griffey Jr. YES
Chipper Jones YES
I'm kind of torn on Palmeiro and Bagwell (Sosa too). During their prime, I assumed they'd both get in, but in retrospect, I just don't see them as HOF caliber. I guess you can say the same for Sosa, if you take out those 4 monster years he had, but I'm really still trying to accept him back. The biggest problem I have with Sosa is the huge dropoff he had between 2001-04. He literally went from being an elite player to just another slugger. But for 4 straight seasons, he was unbelievable though. I'm really torn, and will be for a long long time.