07-14-2009, 02:52 AM
<!--quoteo(post=49760:date=Jul 13 2009, 11:47 PM:name=MrSheps)-->QUOTE (MrSheps @ Jul 13 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49669:date=Jul 13 2009, 01:23 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 13 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49668:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:21 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 13 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Well, the .315/.412/.595 vs .273/.344/.534 is a pretty big difference to me. Manny is more consistent than Sammy ever was too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And if Manny plays 18 years like Sosa did, those numbers will go down too.
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Exactly. Wait until the guy is done and see how many years he played.
Take PEDs out of it and there is no way on earth Sosa isn't a HOFer. And the "he wasn't good until he used them" thing is idiotic. First, he was a 30/30 guy a couple times before he got big. Second, if he was one of the top 10 players in the game for all those years and everyone was using them, wouldn't that mean he was still one of the top 10 players? Or did they just work better for him than 95% of the rest of league? Or are people still stupid enough to believe it was just a handful of guys using them, because that whole theory is dead.
If someone wants to keep Sammy out of the HOF because of PED usage, awesome, more power to you. But letting Manny in? No way. Sammy's numbers put him in the top half of the HOF, maybe the top quarter. PEDs can keep him out, not his numbers.
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Well put. While I think Manny is a better overall hitter, you're exactly right.
And if Manny plays 18 years like Sosa did, those numbers will go down too.
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Exactly. Wait until the guy is done and see how many years he played.
Take PEDs out of it and there is no way on earth Sosa isn't a HOFer. And the "he wasn't good until he used them" thing is idiotic. First, he was a 30/30 guy a couple times before he got big. Second, if he was one of the top 10 players in the game for all those years and everyone was using them, wouldn't that mean he was still one of the top 10 players? Or did they just work better for him than 95% of the rest of league? Or are people still stupid enough to believe it was just a handful of guys using them, because that whole theory is dead.
If someone wants to keep Sammy out of the HOF because of PED usage, awesome, more power to you. But letting Manny in? No way. Sammy's numbers put him in the top half of the HOF, maybe the top quarter. PEDs can keep him out, not his numbers.
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Well put. While I think Manny is a better overall hitter, you're exactly right.
I hate my pretentious sounding username too.