07-13-2009, 10:52 PM
<!--quoteo(post=49698:date=Jul 13 2009, 07:46 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 13 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49666:date=Jul 13 2009, 04:18 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 13 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49660:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:10 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 13 2009, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49655:date=Jul 13 2009, 04:07 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 13 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49646:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:42 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 13 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49645:date=Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=49641:date=Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 13 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Sosa's top 10 most similar players throughout history:
Ken Griffey (869)
Mike Schmidt (858) *
Reggie Jackson (841) *
Gary Sheffield (827)
Harmon Killebrew (822) *
Eddie Mathews (822) *
Mickey Mantle (821) *
Willie Stargell (820) *
Willie McCovey (807) *
Ernie Banks (806) *
*denotes Hall Of Famer
If Manny skates by despite the steroid issue, then Sammy goes in with flying colors.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Sosa's numbers were ridiculous. If Manny gets in so should Sosa.
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Both have Hall of Fame numbers aided by PEDs. But if you were to compare the 2 Manny has had a much better career.
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No he doesn't.
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Really? You honestly think Manny = Sammy? Their careers are not even close IMO.
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609 HR, 1667 RBI, 1475 Runs, 2408 Hits, .273/.344/.534
536 HR, 1754 RBI, 1474 Runs, 2435 Hits, .315/.412/.595
Sosa has more PAs, so it's not apples to apples, but those careers numbers don't show anything that indicates Ramirez <b>has had a much better career</b>.
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That OPS difference of .129 is huge. The counting stats will look worse in 3-4 years when Manny retires. The only thing Sammy has more of is HRs and Manny may catch him there before he retires. You pretty much just made my point for me. Thanks for that.
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I didn't make your anything for you. You said he had a much better career, that's just not the case. If you're argument that he had a much better career hinges on the OPS difference, then knock yourself out.
The fact of the matter is, their run producing numbers are damn near identical, but Manny gets on base more. Manny did it all while playing on much better teams, with infinitely more protection in the lineup, and never once carried a team like Sosa did. Thinking that Manny has had a <b>much better career</b> than Sosa just isn't reality.
Ken Griffey (869)
Mike Schmidt (858) *
Reggie Jackson (841) *
Gary Sheffield (827)
Harmon Killebrew (822) *
Eddie Mathews (822) *
Mickey Mantle (821) *
Willie Stargell (820) *
Willie McCovey (807) *
Ernie Banks (806) *
*denotes Hall Of Famer
If Manny skates by despite the steroid issue, then Sammy goes in with flying colors.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Sosa's numbers were ridiculous. If Manny gets in so should Sosa.
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Both have Hall of Fame numbers aided by PEDs. But if you were to compare the 2 Manny has had a much better career.
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No he doesn't.
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Really? You honestly think Manny = Sammy? Their careers are not even close IMO.
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609 HR, 1667 RBI, 1475 Runs, 2408 Hits, .273/.344/.534
536 HR, 1754 RBI, 1474 Runs, 2435 Hits, .315/.412/.595
Sosa has more PAs, so it's not apples to apples, but those careers numbers don't show anything that indicates Ramirez <b>has had a much better career</b>.
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That OPS difference of .129 is huge. The counting stats will look worse in 3-4 years when Manny retires. The only thing Sammy has more of is HRs and Manny may catch him there before he retires. You pretty much just made my point for me. Thanks for that.
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I didn't make your anything for you. You said he had a much better career, that's just not the case. If you're argument that he had a much better career hinges on the OPS difference, then knock yourself out.
The fact of the matter is, their run producing numbers are damn near identical, but Manny gets on base more. Manny did it all while playing on much better teams, with infinitely more protection in the lineup, and never once carried a team like Sosa did. Thinking that Manny has had a <b>much better career</b> than Sosa just isn't reality.