Kevin Gregg

[johnr42]

Rivera posted a line of 1.40 era, .67 whip with a 97.5 save conversion rate last year. That sounds like a shutdown closer to me.


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Ok for fuck's sake, if the Cubs don't make the playoffs, it won't be because of Kevin Gregg. Gimme a fucking break.

There's about 2 lockdown closers out there and about 20 mediocre ones (the category Gregg falls into), there's gonna be about 6-7 teams in the playoffs with mediocre closers.
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I agree with the fact that if the Cubs miss the playoffs it will not be because of Gregg. However Ruby, your statement about the closers and playoff teams is ridiculous. As it stands right now the closers for the playoff teams would be:

Jonathan Papelbon
Mariano Rivera
Fernando Rodney
Frank Francisco/CJ Wilson
Brad Lidge
Ryan Franklin
Jonathan Broxton

The current WC teams in the NL would have Hoffman or Brian Wilson

I would take ANY ONE of those closers over Kevin Gregg. When healthy, Papelbon, Rivera, Francisco, and Broxton are as lock down as it gets. Lidge has had a tough time, but we cannot forget he did not blow a save at all last year. IMO, Gregg is worse that any one of those closers except maybe Rodney and Franklin.
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I'd suggest you look up some statistics.
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Ryan Franklin 17 saves, 1.00 ERA, 0.89 WHIP - 60 games does not make one a shutdown closer - see career numbers
Broxton 17 saves, 2.29 ERA, 0.82 WHIP - yep, he's good
Hoffman 16 saves, 1.31 ERA, 0.77 WHIP - him too
Papelbon 16 saves, 1.80 ERA, 1.40 WHIP - him three
Rivera 15 saves, 3.25 ERA, 1.08 WHIP - Riveria is no longer a shutdown closer, hasn't been for a couple years
Francisco 12 saves, 0.44 ERA, 0.77 WHIP - 60 games does not make one a shutdown closer - see career numbers
Brian Wilson 19 saves, 2.94 ERA, 1.16 WHIP - 60 games does not make one a shutdown closer - see career numbers

You also completely left off 2 other guys from your list. If you actually think there's more than a couple (a hand full maybe) of legitimate shutdown closers in baseball, I dunno what to tell you. There's a few guys at the top and a whole bunch of guys in the middle and few teams without anyone they can call a closer. Is Gregg good? No, he's average . . . like almost every other team's closer.
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