02-14-2009, 12:05 PM
<!--quoteo(post=17924:date=Feb 13 2009, 11:07 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 13 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17923:date=Feb 13 2009, 09:35 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Feb 13 2009, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17921:date=Feb 13 2009, 10:22 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 13 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17917:date=Feb 13 2009, 09:00 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Feb 13 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think in general Gaudin is pretty overrated here. I don't really see him as a viable starter.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The last 2 years as a starter he he went 14-15 on a bad A's team with a 4.32 ERA in 235.3 innings pitched, in the American League. He made 34 starts and threw 199.3 innings in 07 with a 4.42 ERA in the AL. Then this last year, 3-2 with a 3.75 ERA in 6 starts. That would be pretty damn good for a #5 starter and better than Marquis did the last 2 years. I don't see how he's overrated around here and why he can't be a legitimate option. I'd probably feel safest with him over any of the other options.
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I guess I'm not too impressed with a 4.42 ERA with a shitload of baserunners like he had in 2007, especially considering his home park ranked 27th out of 30 parks with regards to favoring pitchers that season.
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It's worth noting he was just a 24-year-old pitcher then too though. I think people forget Gaudin is only 25(will be 26 in March). He's younger than Marshall even. There's no reason this guy can't get a lot better, just like Marshall, just like Shark. Gaudin's been doing this with mainly just a fastball and slider. I'm sure they're going to work with him to develop a consistent change up, especially if they want him to start. If we didn't have Harden in the rotation, I'd probably rather have Marshall start, but since we do, it's nice knowing this guy's already shown he can throw 200 innings.
Gaudin
<!--c1-->CODE<!--ec1--> I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
as Starter 50 50 0 16 18 0 1 0 275.1 4.71 302 158 144 31 128 9 204 12<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
Marshall
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+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
as Starter 50 50 0 14 21 0 0 0 264.2 4.79 275 155 141 38 104 9 177 12<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
Pretty much even really.
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Well if you want to take a bunch of other important factors out of the equation, go right ahead.
For me, Marshall's recent success the past two seasons should count more than the 5.59 ERA he put up as a rookie. Can you honestly say that Marshall is a 4.79 ERA type pitcher at this time?
Oakland's park being an extreme pitcher's park while Gaudin was making starts there doesn't count for anything?
The only reason Marshall hasn't shown that he can throw 200 innings is because he hasn't been given the opportunity to do so. I doubt this season will be any different, which is really kind of a shame.
The last 2 years as a starter he he went 14-15 on a bad A's team with a 4.32 ERA in 235.3 innings pitched, in the American League. He made 34 starts and threw 199.3 innings in 07 with a 4.42 ERA in the AL. Then this last year, 3-2 with a 3.75 ERA in 6 starts. That would be pretty damn good for a #5 starter and better than Marquis did the last 2 years. I don't see how he's overrated around here and why he can't be a legitimate option. I'd probably feel safest with him over any of the other options.
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I guess I'm not too impressed with a 4.42 ERA with a shitload of baserunners like he had in 2007, especially considering his home park ranked 27th out of 30 parks with regards to favoring pitchers that season.
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It's worth noting he was just a 24-year-old pitcher then too though. I think people forget Gaudin is only 25(will be 26 in March). He's younger than Marshall even. There's no reason this guy can't get a lot better, just like Marshall, just like Shark. Gaudin's been doing this with mainly just a fastball and slider. I'm sure they're going to work with him to develop a consistent change up, especially if they want him to start. If we didn't have Harden in the rotation, I'd probably rather have Marshall start, but since we do, it's nice knowing this guy's already shown he can throw 200 innings.
Gaudin
<!--c1-->CODE<!--ec1--> I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
as Starter 50 50 0 16 18 0 1 0 275.1 4.71 302 158 144 31 128 9 204 12<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
Marshall
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+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
as Starter 50 50 0 14 21 0 0 0 264.2 4.79 275 155 141 38 104 9 177 12<!--c2--><!--ec2-->
Pretty much even really.
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Well if you want to take a bunch of other important factors out of the equation, go right ahead.
For me, Marshall's recent success the past two seasons should count more than the 5.59 ERA he put up as a rookie. Can you honestly say that Marshall is a 4.79 ERA type pitcher at this time?
Oakland's park being an extreme pitcher's park while Gaudin was making starts there doesn't count for anything?
The only reason Marshall hasn't shown that he can throw 200 innings is because he hasn't been given the opportunity to do so. I doubt this season will be any different, which is really kind of a shame.