02-13-2009, 05:11 PM
Dude, I hope you are right. No one I know thinks you are.
-Your grandfathers quotes mean nothing, because no one has said we are AS BAD as 1933. No one. He had it much worse than us, and God willing, we won't come close to going through what he went through.
-Obama says IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, it could the worst SINCE the Great Depression. And your numbers comparing it to the other recessions is, again, worthless, since we won't know how bad things are right now, until the numbers come out 6 months from now. One of the hallmarks of a recession is that USUALLY by the time we figure out we are in one, we are usually already coming out of it. Doesn't seem to be the case this time.
-The idea that Obama is the only one badmouthing this situation IS COMPLETE AND UTTER HORSESHIT. Virtually everyone is saying this. Obama is NOT saying anything a vast majority of economists don't already agree with. Maybe they all have a liberal agenda, but I doubt it.
-I am in no way shocked or amazed that CNBC (who employ Kudlow) was able to find someone from the MOTHERFUCKING CATO INSTITUTE to badmouth Obama, and pooh pooh the recession. I can go find video of that fuckwit Sean Hannity explaining how great our economy was in September. Which leads me to...
-Obama isn't saying ANYTHING that Paulson and the rest of the Bush administration was fucking saying in October. Which makes the idea that this is some sort of partisan political stunt by Obama completely inoperative. They might all be wrong, but they are all saying the same fucking thing.
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That's exactly what Warren Buffet was saying. In September. How has that worked out for him?
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This I find simply sad. Do you honestly believe the Republicans are voting "no" on this because they've done the math, and don't think it's a good idea? Honestly? They are voting no because they know it will go through anyway, and when the plans have problems (which they will), the Republicans can blame it all on the Democrats. Further, my guess is that Obama thinks he IS telling you the truth. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a lie.
I could go on, but my point remains. I hope to God that you are right. I don't think you are (and 800 more layoffs yesterday in my sector of the economy tells me you aren't), but it would be completely awesome if you were. I just can't believe that a downturn in the economy that has threatened virtually every financial institution in our country, has threatened to bankrupt the big 3 auto companies, will change the very structure of economy, and shows no sign of ending, can somehow be turned into a partisan political discussion. Or that you and the Cato institute think the answer is for Obama to blow sunshine up our asses.
-Your grandfathers quotes mean nothing, because no one has said we are AS BAD as 1933. No one. He had it much worse than us, and God willing, we won't come close to going through what he went through.
-Obama says IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, it could the worst SINCE the Great Depression. And your numbers comparing it to the other recessions is, again, worthless, since we won't know how bad things are right now, until the numbers come out 6 months from now. One of the hallmarks of a recession is that USUALLY by the time we figure out we are in one, we are usually already coming out of it. Doesn't seem to be the case this time.
-The idea that Obama is the only one badmouthing this situation IS COMPLETE AND UTTER HORSESHIT. Virtually everyone is saying this. Obama is NOT saying anything a vast majority of economists don't already agree with. Maybe they all have a liberal agenda, but I doubt it.
-I am in no way shocked or amazed that CNBC (who employ Kudlow) was able to find someone from the MOTHERFUCKING CATO INSTITUTE to badmouth Obama, and pooh pooh the recession. I can go find video of that fuckwit Sean Hannity explaining how great our economy was in September. Which leads me to...
-Obama isn't saying ANYTHING that Paulson and the rest of the Bush administration was fucking saying in October. Which makes the idea that this is some sort of partisan political stunt by Obama completely inoperative. They might all be wrong, but they are all saying the same fucking thing.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->What I'm seeing is stocks are on sale! 30% discounts on some of Americas greatest companies!!!! Limited time only!!!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's exactly what Warren Buffet was saying. In September. How has that worked out for him?
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Now, perhaps people are saying well, it could get that bad, ok that's a fine arguement, but shouldn't the job of our president and his staff be to tell us the truth, and not spin the data so that a vast amount of preasure can be added to help pass a bill that less than 40% of American's polled agree with, and only 3 Republican party members can sign off on, ALL of which cite FEAR OF THE UNKOWN as the sole reason for their voting for the bill?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This I find simply sad. Do you honestly believe the Republicans are voting "no" on this because they've done the math, and don't think it's a good idea? Honestly? They are voting no because they know it will go through anyway, and when the plans have problems (which they will), the Republicans can blame it all on the Democrats. Further, my guess is that Obama thinks he IS telling you the truth. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a lie.
I could go on, but my point remains. I hope to God that you are right. I don't think you are (and 800 more layoffs yesterday in my sector of the economy tells me you aren't), but it would be completely awesome if you were. I just can't believe that a downturn in the economy that has threatened virtually every financial institution in our country, has threatened to bankrupt the big 3 auto companies, will change the very structure of economy, and shows no sign of ending, can somehow be turned into a partisan political discussion. Or that you and the Cato institute think the answer is for Obama to blow sunshine up our asses.
I wish that I believed in Fate. I wish I didn't sleep so late. I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders.