02-11-2009, 10:52 AM
<!--quoteo(post=17264:date=Feb 11 2009, 09:47 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Feb 11 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17258:date=Feb 11 2009, 08:23 AM:name=hPOD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hPOD @ Feb 11 2009, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17257:date=Feb 11 2009, 08:19 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Feb 11 2009, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Guys, let him have his say. I don't agree with pretty much anything he is saying (and dude, you are almost completely wrong with a couple of your points), but I would rather argue the points than just call him names.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Politics is a very touchy subject, so I tend to steer away from such things on public forums. In this case, I'm curious as to why you/others disagree, and in specific, with what? Hemi's post seems quite angry, and perhaps for good reason, which probably sparked anger on the side of others who replied by calling him names rather than bothering to refute him.
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I have LOTS of problems with what he said. To wit:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Love the Liberal agenda pointing fingers at Bush using fear (which he did)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After living through 8 years of Bush explaining that if we don't elect him/invade Iraq/let him listen to our phone conversations/lock people up indefinitely/lock people up without trial/torture people/ etc etc/ then we are ALL GOING TO DIE, I find it hard to believe that someone is going to accuse the evil Liberals of having a fear based agenda.
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The fact is we haven't come close to reaching the bottom yet, so if we haven't reached the level of the 1980's recession, it's only a matter of time. The idea that things were MUCH worse in the 80's is laughable. I suppose it's possible we could pull out of this before things get as bad as the 80's, but I've yet to hear ONE sensible economist who believes that.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Then the guy says that the policies of TAX CUTS is what got us into this in the first place?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NO, that's not what he said. In fact, it's nowhere close to what he said. He said "tax cuts alone can't solve all of our economic problems". That's a reasonable statement. And it's pretty much supported by most economists.
The rest of his statement mostly consists of him swearing at Obama, and calling him a fear monger. To that, let me just make some points I find glaringly obvious.
1. He has been in power less than a month, and in that month he has done far more than just talk pretty.
2. It IS a very FUCKING SCARY time. Obama has every right to be trying to scare us.
3. If the stimulus isn't passed, and passed soon, things will get much worse. THAT is why he is scaring us. Waiting does us no good.
4. The Republicans don't know their heads from their asses on this particular subject. If we listen to John McCain, he will make the stimulus smaller, which by definition, would provide less stimulus, and he would make it with more tax cuts, which any economist will tell you is about the most inefficient way possible to stimulate the economy. Listening to them is a spectacularly bad idea.
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BT, I agree with pretty everything you just said. Well done sir.
Agreed. Politics is a very touchy subject, so I tend to steer away from such things on public forums. In this case, I'm curious as to why you/others disagree, and in specific, with what? Hemi's post seems quite angry, and perhaps for good reason, which probably sparked anger on the side of others who replied by calling him names rather than bothering to refute him.
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I have LOTS of problems with what he said. To wit:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Love the Liberal agenda pointing fingers at Bush using fear (which he did)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After living through 8 years of Bush explaining that if we don't elect him/invade Iraq/let him listen to our phone conversations/lock people up indefinitely/lock people up without trial/torture people/ etc etc/ then we are ALL GOING TO DIE, I find it hard to believe that someone is going to accuse the evil Liberals of having a fear based agenda.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->"This is the worst crisis we've seen since the great depression!" .. really....asshole...because the early 1980's were much worse than things are currently<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The fact is we haven't come close to reaching the bottom yet, so if we haven't reached the level of the 1980's recession, it's only a matter of time. The idea that things were MUCH worse in the 80's is laughable. I suppose it's possible we could pull out of this before things get as bad as the 80's, but I've yet to hear ONE sensible economist who believes that.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Then the guy says that the policies of TAX CUTS is what got us into this in the first place?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NO, that's not what he said. In fact, it's nowhere close to what he said. He said "tax cuts alone can't solve all of our economic problems". That's a reasonable statement. And it's pretty much supported by most economists.
The rest of his statement mostly consists of him swearing at Obama, and calling him a fear monger. To that, let me just make some points I find glaringly obvious.
1. He has been in power less than a month, and in that month he has done far more than just talk pretty.
2. It IS a very FUCKING SCARY time. Obama has every right to be trying to scare us.
3. If the stimulus isn't passed, and passed soon, things will get much worse. THAT is why he is scaring us. Waiting does us no good.
4. The Republicans don't know their heads from their asses on this particular subject. If we listen to John McCain, he will make the stimulus smaller, which by definition, would provide less stimulus, and he would make it with more tax cuts, which any economist will tell you is about the most inefficient way possible to stimulate the economy. Listening to them is a spectacularly bad idea.
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BT, I agree with pretty everything you just said. Well done sir.