07-19-2010, 05:32 PM
<!--quoteo(post=106254:date=Jul 19 2010, 04:26 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Jul 19 2010, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=106229:date=Jul 19 2010, 03:34 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 19 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=106226:date=Jul 19 2010, 03:27 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jul 19 2010, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=106218:date=Jul 19 2010, 03:14 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jul 19 2010, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=106212:date=Jul 19 2010, 02:36 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jul 19 2010, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=106211:date=Jul 19 2010, 02:28 PM:name=willis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (willis @ Jul 19 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->With Soto's OBP I don't think there is anything (other than speed) wrong with batting him 2nd as you suggest. I just don't think Piniella would ever be so bold as to put a catcher that high in a lineup. Whether right or wrong, that takes a bit of creativity...which old man Lou lacks.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, though for me, putting Colvin and his .319 OBP at the top of the order is more "creative" (read: kind of silly).
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Wait a minute...so Colvin's OBP is really, really low now? That really comes out of left field...color me stunned.
I guess Wilken's greatness has been over-emphasized, perhaps.
Colvin, Shark and Vitters, his most well-known picks, have yet to live up to the fanfare (although I'm a huge Cashner fan).
OTOH, one can see Jim's hands all over the Colvin and Shark deals, so maybe Wilken shouldn't be held accountable.
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To be fair, he's still been pretty damn good with the SLG part of the equation.
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He's slugged very well indeed. But his OPS+ (which <i>over</i>-empahasizes slugging, so you'd think it would play to his advantage) is 102. That's barely above average for a major-leaguer, but far below average for a corner OFer.
Why?
Because his OPB is terrible. And it always has been, throughout his minor-league and even college career.
So...<b>Cue up broken record</b>: this Cub player has a problem with strike zone judgement and plate discipline, which inevitably lead to poor On-base percentages, only the single most important offensive stat.
And some question whether the organization needs a change at the top.
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Why do you make me do this?
I would have been just fine with your comment if not for the last comment. Hendry has gone out of his way to bring in players that are known for taking walks (Lee, Bradley, Fukudome, DeRosa,). Along with that, they have developed players that are walkers (Soto, Theriot, and since he's hit the big leagues, Castro). I'm fine with you criticizing management for having a player that lacks plate discipline, but please don't act like that's all they do.
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Theriot's plate discipline comes and goes like a cold sore.
Yeah, though for me, putting Colvin and his .319 OBP at the top of the order is more "creative" (read: kind of silly).
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Wait a minute...so Colvin's OBP is really, really low now? That really comes out of left field...color me stunned.
I guess Wilken's greatness has been over-emphasized, perhaps.
Colvin, Shark and Vitters, his most well-known picks, have yet to live up to the fanfare (although I'm a huge Cashner fan).
OTOH, one can see Jim's hands all over the Colvin and Shark deals, so maybe Wilken shouldn't be held accountable.
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To be fair, he's still been pretty damn good with the SLG part of the equation.
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He's slugged very well indeed. But his OPS+ (which <i>over</i>-empahasizes slugging, so you'd think it would play to his advantage) is 102. That's barely above average for a major-leaguer, but far below average for a corner OFer.
Why?
Because his OPB is terrible. And it always has been, throughout his minor-league and even college career.
So...<b>Cue up broken record</b>: this Cub player has a problem with strike zone judgement and plate discipline, which inevitably lead to poor On-base percentages, only the single most important offensive stat.
And some question whether the organization needs a change at the top.
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Why do you make me do this?
I would have been just fine with your comment if not for the last comment. Hendry has gone out of his way to bring in players that are known for taking walks (Lee, Bradley, Fukudome, DeRosa,). Along with that, they have developed players that are walkers (Soto, Theriot, and since he's hit the big leagues, Castro). I'm fine with you criticizing management for having a player that lacks plate discipline, but please don't act like that's all they do.
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Theriot's plate discipline comes and goes like a cold sore.