Cubs and Grabow discussing multi-year deal

[Rappster]

Lefties get paid. All of them are risks. This guy has worked so far.

The constant beat-down on Hendry is old and lame.

[rok]

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The constant beat-down on Hendry is old and lame.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is becoming predictable, and I'm not above it, but Hendry deserves a lot of criticism. I'm willing to give him one last chance though, since I doubt there are many great GMs looking for work right now that we could hire to replace him.

[Butcher]

I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.

[BT]

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It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=68162:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68160:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....
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What are you saying? Cotts couldn't be adequately replaced with half a dozen (or more) arms from our farm system?

[Scarey]

<!--quoteo(post=68162:date=Nov 4 2009, 11:59 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68160:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....
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Yeah, but that was when we were relying on Marshall being our #5. As it is, Marshall seems to be a releiver rather than a starter and John Gaub is primed to make his MLB debut.

[rok]

And yet, Cotts still lingers around in our system. Has it been confirmed that he is out of our future plans after he had surgery? I won't rest until he's history with this team and out of baseball forever.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=68163:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68162:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68160:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....
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What are you saying? Cotts couldn't be adequately replaced with half a dozen (or more) arms from our farm system?
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No, I'm saying that everyone bitched up a fucking storm when we started the season with just Cotts. Turned out, they were right. Now people are bitching up a storm because Hendry has the gall to possibly be proactive and fill that spot.

I'm all for the theory of letting people fill in, rather than spend money on middle relievers. However, that theory was clearly put to the test last year, and just as clearly, failed. And people bitched. And now that Hendry is (possibly) going to fix it, people are still not only bitching, but suggesting he should be fired. Over a contract that hasn't been signed yet.

[ruby23]

I hope we sign Grabow to the exact deal that's being mentioned, I won't bitch about it at all. With Harden probably gone, Marshall will probably be starting and the Cubs need a LHP in the pen. I have less than no problem with this proposed deal.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=68166:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:19 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68163:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68162:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68160:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....
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What are you saying? Cotts couldn't be adequately replaced with half a dozen (or more) arms from our farm system?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

No, I'm saying that everyone bitched up a fucking storm when we started the season with just Cotts. Turned out, they were right. Now people are bitching up a storm because Hendry has the gall to possibly be proactive and fill that spot.

I'm all for the theory of letting people fill in, rather than spend money on middle relievers. However, that theory was clearly put to the test last year, and just as clearly, failed. And people bitched. And now that Hendry is (possibly) going to fix it, people are still not only bitching, but suggesting he should be fired. Over a contract that hasn't been signed yet.
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It failed because Cotts was given a spot on the roster for WAY too fucking long and kept getting put into games when he clearly sucked ass.

[Scarey]

More than anything, I feel like why even have a farm team if we're not going to utilize the guys that we produce from it? It's so obvious that Gaub should be given a shot as a lefty out of the pen. Maybe he still will and it may even work out well with Marshall starting as Ruby suggested and Gaub/Grabow coming out of the pen. If that's the plan, than I'm ok with signing Grabow. I just don't see a reason to spend so much on a bullpen arm. We do still have Gorzelanny in the mix. To me, I think Gorz, Gaub, and Marshall should all be in play to fill one starting spot and two bullpen spots. We don't need any more lefties than that.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=68168:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68166:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:19 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68163:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68162:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Nov 4 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=68160:date=Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Nov 4 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't like paying for bullpen arms, righty or lefty. They're too much of a crapshoot (with a few exceptions). Some guy we've never even heard of from our farm system is likely to have as much success as Grabow, but for league minimum.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's not like anyone on this board was complaining at the beginning of this year when all we had was Cotts in the pen.




Oh wait.....
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you saying? Cotts couldn't be adequately replaced with half a dozen (or more) arms from our farm system?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

No, I'm saying that everyone bitched up a fucking storm when we started the season with just Cotts. Turned out, they were right. Now people are bitching up a storm because Hendry has the gall to possibly be proactive and fill that spot.

I'm all for the theory of letting people fill in, rather than spend money on middle relievers. However, that theory was clearly put to the test last year, and just as clearly, failed. And people bitched. And now that Hendry is (possibly) going to fix it, people are still not only bitching, but suggesting he should be fired. Over a contract that hasn't been signed yet.
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It failed because Cotts was given a spot on the roster for WAY too fucking long and kept getting put into games when he clearly sucked ass.
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You are missing the point Butch. The point is, when Cotts sucked ass, no one magically appeared from within the system to fill the LOOGY role. We didn't go out and buy a lefty on the free agent market, and it came back and bit us on the ass. It would seem to me that letting Grabow go, and hoping someone steps up this year would be, at best, negligence on Hendry's part.

To be clear, there are any number of people in the system who COULD be better and cheaper than Grabow this year. I have high hopes for some of those guys. However, to assume they will be, especially after last year, is naive.

[1060Ivy]

As long as Hendry doesn't overpay for Grabow and doesn't do something more stupid and give him a no trade clause then the Cubs can trade him if someone within the organization can step up and become the 8th inning set up man and/or LOOGY role.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=68171:date=Nov 4 2009, 10:41 AM:name=1060Ivy)-->QUOTE (1060Ivy @ Nov 4 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->As long as Hendry doesn't overpay for Grabow and doesn't do something more stupid and give him a no trade clause then the Cubs can trade him if someone within the organization can step up and become the 8th inning set up man and/or LOOGY role.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's pretty fair.

My only point was that Hendry has given out 2+ year deals to a lot of mediocre players. I don't hate Grabow, and I actually DO want him back, but if keeping him, paying guys like Heilman and Miles to suck while also eating a decent chunk of Bradley's salary end up handcuffing us in upgrading other areas, I'll be pissed. Other than that, I'm fine with keeping Grabow at the right price.

[jeffy]

<!--quoteo(post=68167:date=Nov 4 2009, 11:23 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I hope we sign Grabow to the exact deal that's being mentioned, I won't bitch about it at all. With Harden probably gone, Marshall will probably be starting and the Cubs need a LHP in the pen. I have less than no problem with this proposed deal.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Agreed.