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ColoradoCub · 05-21-2009, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (sleepyhead @ May 21 2009, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColoradoCub @ May 21 2009, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 21 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleepyhead @ May 21 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ May 21 2009, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Hoff, Fox, Soto and Shark for Gonzalez. I'd do that in a second. Lee can be a backup for all I care. If we traded him to SD we'd have to pay his entire salary anyway.

Soto? I don't think I'd go there, but everything else yes.
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For Gonzalez, I'd trade Soto in a second. If we ended up with A. Gonz I have a feeling we'd be losing Vitters. So maybe Vitters, Shark, Hoff and Fox.
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And that wouldn't be enough
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It would have to be: Vitters, Shark, Hoff, Wells/Marshall or something like that. It would be more then for Peavy (or it should be)
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I don't see any reason why the Padres would want Shark

***rok*** · 05-21-2009, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A few of the Sox fans here at the office are walking around saying it's a done deal. I haven't heard anything definitive, but they say Linebrink talked to Peavy (not sure where they heard this), and confirmed it.

I smell BS.
It isn't a done deal, and it won't happen.

But I honestly wish it would. Peavy isn't going to save their season and it would be great if they unloaded their top prospects to get him.
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I completely agree. This will be a bad trade if they give away a top prospect or 2 and then Peavy gets lit up in the AL.

I just brought it up because 2 of these guys high-fived each other right in front of me and were all giddy about it. It all sounded like BS to me.
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Two guys high-fived each other in front of you because of this rumor? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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They acted as if there was no doubt that another WS was coming their way as a result of the trade. Unfreakingbelievable.

It just turned my stomach for a second. I've only been on the job for 2+ weeks and already I'm surrounded by Cards fans to my right and Sox fans behind me.

***Butcher*** · 05-21-2009, 11:59 AM

QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A few of the Sox fans here at the office are walking around saying it's a done deal. I haven't heard anything definitive, but they say Linebrink talked to Peavy (not sure where they heard this), and confirmed it.

I smell BS.
It isn't a done deal, and it won't happen.

But I honestly wish it would. Peavy isn't going to save their season and it would be great if they unloaded their top prospects to get him.
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I completely agree. This will be a bad trade if they give away a top prospect or 2 and then Peavy gets lit up in the AL.

I just brought it up because 2 of these guys high-fived each other right in front of me and were all giddy about it. It all sounded like BS to me.
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Two guys high-fived each other in front of you because of this rumor? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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They acted as if there was no doubt that another WS was coming their way as a result of the trade. Unfreakingbelievable.

It just turned my stomach for a second. I've only been on the job for 2+ weeks and already I'm surrounded by Cards fans to my right and Sox fans behind me.
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What kind of operation are you working for there, rok? Are there any Cubs fans around you, for crying out loud?

***rok*** · 05-21-2009, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ May 21 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A few of the Sox fans here at the office are walking around saying it's a done deal. I haven't heard anything definitive, but they say Linebrink talked to Peavy (not sure where they heard this), and confirmed it.

I smell BS.
It isn't a done deal, and it won't happen.

But I honestly wish it would. Peavy isn't going to save their season and it would be great if they unloaded their top prospects to get him.
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I completely agree. This will be a bad trade if they give away a top prospect or 2 and then Peavy gets lit up in the AL.

I just brought it up because 2 of these guys high-fived each other right in front of me and were all giddy about it. It all sounded like BS to me.
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Two guys high-fived each other in front of you because of this rumor? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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They acted as if there was no doubt that another WS was coming their way as a result of the trade. Unfreakingbelievable.

It just turned my stomach for a second. I've only been on the job for 2+ weeks and already I'm surrounded by Cards fans to my right and Sox fans behind me.
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What kind of operation are you working for there, rok? Are there any Cubs fans around you, for crying out loud?
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Yeah, there are some, but aren't vocal about it. Most of upper management is on our side, but a lot of the drones are over on the darkside. They don't keep anything to themselves unless their team is losing. For instance last week I didn't hear a peep from either Cards or Sox fans.

The Cards fans so far have been a lot easier to deal with for whatever reason.

leonardsipes · 05-21-2009, 12:15 PM

The absolute worse case scenario would be for the Brewers to get Peavey and DeRosa. 2nd would be Cards get Peavey and Brewers get DeRosa. White Sox getting Peavy is way way down the list. Cubs do not need starting pitching enough to commit to 50 mil, no matter how far Peavy's price has dropped prospect wise.

Fly · 05-21-2009, 01:02 PM

I'd give our top ten prospects, all of them, for Adrian Gonzalez. Maybe the Pads would take Lee's deal off our hand for such a bounty.

ColoradoCub · 05-21-2009, 01:03 PM

QUOTE According to ESPN.com, Jake Peavy's agent "expressed doubt Thursday that his client is ready to sign off on a proposed trade" with the White Sox.
The agent, Barry Axelrod, told ESPN's Jerry Crasnick that his client still has a "strong preference" to remain in the National League. "If I had to make a bet on it, I would guess that Jake would say he's not ready to take that step today,'' Axelrod said. "But he wouldn't necessarily preclude it at any time in the future." Peavy is scheduled to start Friday, so a deal isn't likely to be finalized before the weekend.
Source: ESPN.com

kbwsb · 05-21-2009, 01:03 PM

One reason that Peavy might OK the trade is by asking the Sox to guarantee the last year of the deal, which nets him a LOT more cash. In this economic climate, that might be the clinching matter.

***rok*** · 05-21-2009, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One reason that Peavy might OK the trade is by asking the Sox to guarantee the last year of the deal, which nets him a LOT more cash. In this economic climate, that might be the clinching matter.
I find it hard to believe that KW would do that. In general the Sox front office doesn't like guaranteeing more than 3 years to any pitcher, and especially not at around $20 mil for that last year. I'd be shocked if that happened.

kbwsb · 05-21-2009, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One reason that Peavy might OK the trade is by asking the Sox to guarantee the last year of the deal, which nets him a LOT more cash. In this economic climate, that might be the clinching matter.
I find it hard to believe that KW would do that. In general the Sox front office doesn't like guaranteeing more than 3 years to any pitcher, and especially not at around $20 mil for that last year. I'd be shocked if that happened.
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But won't they have a lot of egg on their faces if it becomes known that that's the reason the deal didn't go through?

veryzer · 05-21-2009, 01:39 PM

here's the thing, only one person involved in this has any leverage and thats peavy. why would he jump at the first deal when it's only may? he can sit back and relax and wait for a better team to come calling before the all star break.

it's also possible that this is all an attempt to get the cubs involved, his preferred destination.

***rok*** · 05-21-2009, 01:45 PM

QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One reason that Peavy might OK the trade is by asking the Sox to guarantee the last year of the deal, which nets him a LOT more cash. In this economic climate, that might be the clinching matter.
I find it hard to believe that KW would do that. In general the Sox front office doesn't like guaranteeing more than 3 years to any pitcher, and especially not at around $20 mil for that last year. I'd be shocked if that happened.
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But won't they have a lot of egg on their faces if it becomes known that that's the reason the deal didn't go through?
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I don't think they care. They went through the entire offseason crying poor, and KW has been vocal in the past about how ridiculous he thinks some of the lavish SP contracts have been. I just can't see him going back on his word, and especially to that extent.

BT · 05-21-2009, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ May 21 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 21 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One reason that Peavy might OK the trade is by asking the Sox to guarantee the last year of the deal, which nets him a LOT more cash. In this economic climate, that might be the clinching matter.
I find it hard to believe that KW would do that. In general the Sox front office doesn't like guaranteeing more than 3 years to any pitcher, and especially not at around $20 mil for that last year. I'd be shocked if that happened.
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But won't they have a lot of egg on their faces if it becomes known that that's the reason the deal didn't go through?
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I don't think they care. They went through the entire offseason crying poor, and KW has been vocal in the past about how ridiculous he thinks some of the lavish SP contracts have been. I just can't see him going back on his word, and especially to that extent.
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If teams are not going to guarantee that last year, or at least make it a player rather than team option, there is absolutely NO reason for Peavy to OK a trade. That is his bargaining chip.

**Andy** · 05-21-2009, 01:54 PM

Looking at several prospect lists, Poreda was anywhere from 2-5 for the WS and Richard is 3-8. Poreda in BA's Top 100 was at 63 and Richard wasn't in their top 100.

Poreda is a big lefty that was recently converted into a starter. He is in AA where he's been decent. He's a decent prospect at 23, but nothing overwhelming that I've seen.

Richard is on the Sux currently as a swingman. He's primarily in the bullpen but has spot started twice. He pretty much sucks.

Fly · 05-21-2009, 02:47 PM

Peavy needs to keep the deal pending until after our series with SD is over.

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