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Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
Help me out, gents. I'm sure I'll forget some. Also, we have the benefit of hindsight here (most of us were pretty excited about Fukudome, for example). There will also certainly be a lot of moves that don't qualify as "good" or "bad," so I won't list them.
<b>Good</b>
Ramirez/Lofton for Bobby Hill
Lee for Choi
Re-signing Ramirez for under market value
Ted Lilly signing
DeRosa signing
Nomar trade (I still qualify this one as "good" in spite of Nomar's injuries)
Hundley for Karros/Grudz
Edmonds signing
Harden trade
Dempster signing
<b>Bad</b>
Soriano contract
Bradley signing
Aardsma for Cotts
Miles signing
Neifi signing
Pierre trade
Jacque Jones signing
Am I missing any obvious ones on either side?
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - rok - 12-16-2009
I still think the Marquis signing sucked, even if he had a few productive seasons.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - BT - 12-16-2009
If you go by fangraphs, Fukudome wasn't a "bad" signing at all. He wasn't great, and he hasn't lived up to expectations, he had an obp of 375 last year, and he plays good defense. Fangraphs has him "earning" 18.4 million over the last 2 years while making 19.5 million. Not anything to write home about, but I think his miserable 2nd half o 2008 has tainted peoples view of him.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - rok - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71874:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If you go by fangraphs, Fukudome wasn't a "bad" signing at all. He wasn't great, and he hasn't lived up to expectations, he had an obp of 375 last year, and he plays good defense. Fangraphs has him "earning" 18.4 million over the last 2 years while making 19.5 million. Not anything to write home about, but I think his miserable 2nd half o 2008 has tainted peoples view of him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had a shitty 2nd half of 2009 as well. I think it's that pattern of inconsistency that pisses people off. You essentially had an all star for 2 halves of both seasons, and then a bum for the other 2 halves.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
I'll take Fukudome off the list. He probably doesn't truly qualify as "bad."
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - wcplummer - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71871:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:07 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 16 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Help me out, gents. I'm sure I'll forget some. Also, we have the benefit of hindsight here (most of us were pretty excited about Fukudome, for example). There will also certainly be a lot of moves that don't qualify as "good" or "bad," so I won't list them.
<b>Good</b>
Ramirez/Lofton for Bobby Hill
Lee for Choi
Re-signing Ramirez for under market value
Ted Lilly signing
DeRosa signing
Nomar trade (I still qualify this one as "good" in spite of Nomar's injuries)
Hundley for Karros/Grudz
<b>Bad</b>
Soriano contract
Fukudome signing
Bradley signing
Aardsma for Cotts
Miles signing
Neifi signing
Pierre trade
Jacque Jones signing
Am I missing any obvious ones on either side?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A couple of the signings were not bad at the time. Many of us think the Cubs should be like the Yankees. Target you guy and do what you need to do to get him. If we overpay a little...fine. I think that falls under the Soriano/ Fukudome. I'm not saying they were great, but he did what he had to do to get the player we needed.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - BT - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71875:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71874:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If you go by fangraphs, Fukudome wasn't a "bad" signing at all. He wasn't great, and he hasn't lived up to expectations, he had an obp of 375 last year, and he plays good defense. Fangraphs has him "earning" 18.4 million over the last 2 years while making 19.5 million. Not anything to write home about, but I think his miserable 2nd half o 2008 has tainted peoples view of him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had a shitty 2nd half of 2009 as well. I think it's that pattern of inconsistency that pisses people off. You essentially had an all star for 2 halves of both seasons, and then a bum for the other 2 halves.
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He was better in the second half of 2009 than he was in the first half. He had a higher avg, obp and ops+ after the all star game than before it.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Coldneck - 12-16-2009
We traded Dontrelle for that 12 fingered fatass Alfonseca and Abe Clement. Dontrelle blows now but he had a solid 3 year run.
Other bad things include Tyler Colvin, Jeff Samardzija, not trading Corey and Pie until it was too late. He passed up on Beltran and a year later gave Soriano more than Beltran got.
At the same time you can say our farm system has improved of late under Wilken who was hired by Hendry.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - BT - 12-16-2009
Let me add the Soriano contract WILL BE bad, by definition, as there is almost no chance he can play up to those salary numbers. I think Hendry knew that when he signed him. It's part of the deal with the devil you make when you sign a premier free agent. But I'm not willing to say it's a bad signing right now, as I think he was hurt this year. The first two years of that contract he was worth every penny we paid him. People forget that.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71879:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:23 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 16 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->We traded Dontrelle for that 12 fingered fatass Alfonseca and Abe Clement. Dontrelle blows now but he had a solid 3 year run.
Other bad things include Tyler Colvin, Jeff Samardzija, not trading Corey and Pie until it was too late. He passed up on Beltran and a year later gave Soriano more than Beltran got.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Clement was good for us and we needed bullpen help. I think that trade is a wash -- and far too close to be considered "bad."
Did Hendry draft Colvin and Samardzija (I'm not ready to call Shark a bust just yet).
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - MW4 - 12-16-2009
Jim Edmonds -- Good
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Coldneck - 12-16-2009
I'm not sure the Aardsma for Cotts deal is a bad one. Aardsma is looking great right now, but he was terrible for the Sox when we traded him. If that is considered a bad move than the Jerome Williams for Aardsma deal should be considered a good move.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71883:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm not sure the Aardsma for Cotts deal is a bad one. Aardsma is looking great right now, but he was terrible for the Sox when we traded him. If that is considered a bad move than the Jerome Williams for Aardsma deal should be considered a good move.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an extreme hatred for Cotts which, admittedly, is probably clouding my judgment. I'm not changing it.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71882:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM:name=MW4)-->QUOTE (MW4 @ Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jim Edmonds -- Good<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was. And I hated it when it first went down. I'll add it to the good list.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - biggz - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71875:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71874:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 16 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If you go by fangraphs, Fukudome wasn't a "bad" signing at all. He wasn't great, and he hasn't lived up to expectations, he had an obp of 375 last year, and he plays good defense. Fangraphs has him "earning" 18.4 million over the last 2 years while making 19.5 million. Not anything to write home about, but I think his miserable 2nd half o 2008 has tainted peoples view of him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He had a shitty 2nd half of 2009 as well. I think it's that pattern of inconsistency that pisses people off. You essentially had an all star for 2 halves of both seasons, and then a bum for the other 2 halves.
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2009 Monthly Splits:
March/April: .338/.461/.592
May: .277/.415/.415
June: .169/.266/.241
July: .307/.392/.534
August: .287/.398/.506
September/October: .200/.338/.286
I actually just looked at his stats last night because I was under the same perception he had a terrible 2nd half, where he only had a bad September/October which wasn't nearly as atrocious as his June.
Also, Harden trade?