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Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - wcplummer - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71901:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:56 AM:name=The Dude)-->QUOTE (The Dude @ Dec 16 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71894:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:47 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 16 2009, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71891:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:42 AM:name=leonardsipes)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (leonardsipes @ Dec 16 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Jaque Jones was a good signing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Bad
Soriano contract - black
Bradley signing - black
Aardsma for Cotts - ex sox
Miles signing - ex cardinal
Neifi signing - black
Pierre trade - black
Jacque Jones signing - black
Good
Aside from Lee and Ramirez all players are white Edmonds, Lilly, Harden, Dempster, Nomar, Derosa
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
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racist
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Bad
Soriano contract - black
Bradley signing - black
Aardsma for Cotts - ex sox
Miles signing - ex cardinal
Neifi signing - black
Pierre trade - black
Jacque Jones signing - black
Good
Aside from Lee and Ramirez all players are white Edmonds, Lilly, Harden, Dempster, Nomar, Derosa
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I'm a Cubs fan. I can't help that I hate black people.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Brock - 12-16-2009
How in the world is a guy who puts up a .681 OPS in a quadrillion at bats in 2005 worth $5.5 million?
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Dirk - 12-16-2009
I'm interested in some of the x-factors that we will probably never know about- was Hendry ever pressured by ownership to sign a particular player, or at the very least, make a big splashy signing? Also were there any non trades/signings that now look brilliant/stupid? I'm sure every other GM deals with these but it would be interesting to know.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
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Well, Fangraphs says it was a good signing. So there's that.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Butcher - 12-16-2009
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I think just looking at the list, and not knowing the x-factors, you can see that Hendry is mostly a pretty decent GM. He isn't perfect, by any means, but we could do worse. But we could probably do better, too.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - jstraw - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71884:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:31 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 16 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71883:date=Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm not sure the Aardsma for Cotts deal is a bad one. Aardsma is looking great right now, but he was terrible for the Sox when we traded him. If that is considered a bad move than the Jerome Williams for Aardsma deal should be considered a good move.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an extreme hatred for Cotts which, admittedly, is probably clouding my judgment. I'm not changing it.
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A pitcher that can't put the ball anywhere near the plate no matter how badly he would like to, is a bad thing. Don't feel bad about hating Cotts.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Coldneck - 12-16-2009
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Yes. He signed Dempster in '04. I'll add him to the "good" list.
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Only if you put the subsequent way over market signing in 2008 in the bad category.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Coldneck - 12-16-2009
Not to be a party pooper, but this whole racist thing makes me uncomfortable.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - jstraw - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71926:date=Dec 16 2009, 12:44 PM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 16 2009, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Not to be a party pooper, but this whole racist thing makes me uncomfortable.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you mean you're uncomfortable with being actually accused of racism for criticizing the job performance of Baker, Hawkins or Bradley...then I'm with you.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - BT - 12-16-2009
<!--quoteo(post=71911:date=Dec 16 2009, 12:11 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 16 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=71906:date=Dec 16 2009, 12:08 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Dec 16 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How in the world is a guy who puts up a .681 OPS in a quadrillion at bats in 2005 worth $5.5 million?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, Fangraphs says it was a good signing. So there's that.
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Hey Butch, baseball prospectus says the same thing. His 2.7 WARP1 would make him the 8th best player on the team this year as well. Better than ARam, theriot, baker, and 2/3rds of the team. You know who else it was much better than? Mark DeRosa's numbers with the Cardinals. I guess THEY aren't worth anything either, right?
Let's see. He was also 9th on the whole team according to Bill James Win Shares. So Bill James is a douche bag too I guess. I literally can't think of another evaluation to look at (yes his OPS sucked, but that doesn't take his fielding into account). Of the ones I can actually think of Perez was worth more than 1.75 a year.
So you can keep using my post as a punchline, but you are just being stubborn.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - The Dude - 12-16-2009
Dudes, Neifi carried us...
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - bz - 12-16-2009
Matt Lawton sucked a fat boner.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - bz - 12-16-2009
Everyone needs to get the fuck over Colvin. He is one draft pick at the end of the 1st round when no one else stood out as an OBVIOUSLY better pick. He was one pick in one draft. Coldneck, bring him up again and I'll poop on your doorstep.
Weighing Hendry's good/bad moves - Andy - 12-16-2009
Here's a spreadsheet with all Hendry's trades/signings/drafts from 2002-the 2007 off season. It's missing the past 2 years.
Hendry.xls