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All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - ruby23 - 12-30-2008
LF ain't all that bad, but looking at these lists makes it pretty evident why the Cubs have been such losers.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Butcher - 12-30-2008
<!--quoteo(post=7707:date=Dec 30 2008, 03:59 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->LF ain't all that bad, but looking at these lists makes it pretty evident why the Cubs have been such losers.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean because we've had a whole lot of shitty players and not a whole lot of great players? Weird how that works...
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Mikey - 12-30-2008
George Bell
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Mikey - 12-30-2008
Derrick May
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Mikey - 12-30-2008
Luis Gonzalez
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Mikey - 12-30-2008
Doug Glanville
Depressed yet?
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - HTC - 12-30-2008
Rondell White. I remember thinking the Cubs had a heck of a hitter when they traded for him.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Butcher - 12-30-2008
<!--quoteo(post=7714:date=Dec 30 2008, 04:50 PM:name=HTC)-->QUOTE (HTC @ Dec 30 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Rondell White. I remember thinking the Cubs had a heck of a hitter when they traded for him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They did. When he actually took the field.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Bricklayer - 12-30-2008
Henry Rodriguez
Didn't he play left?
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - kbwsb - 12-31-2008
Andy, I agree with you that Riggs Stephenson's numbers are excellent, but Billy Williams is the #1 Cub LFer.
In comparing their numbers, you absolutely have to account for the eras in which they played. Riggs played in the late 20's and early 30's, perhaps the greatest offensive era in MLB history.
By contrast, Billy played his prime years in the 60's, the absolute worst offensive era in MLB history (not counting the dead-ball days).
Thus, Billy's numbers, given that context, are better, even though they're quite similar to Stephenson's.
Coming from another angle, Billy played 16 seasons for the Cubs, including his entire prime. Riggs played nine. Riggs played 1,310 games in his MLB career, 978 as a Cub...Billy played 1,117 <i>in a row</i>
(at the time, the NL record), and well over a thousand more total games than the Riggmeister.
Billy's number is retired, and his flag is waving at Wrigley every day. He's a much more iconic figure in team history.
He's also a member of baseball's Hall Of Fame, which means that they think the same of him as we do.
I'm glad you brought up Riggs; it made me go look him up, and realize what a hell of a hitter he was, in his day.
But Sweet-swingin' Billy Williams is the man.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Clapp - 12-31-2008
I hope we're not showing anybody else our all-time lists. It's embarrassing.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - kbwsb - 12-31-2008
OK, I admit that I'm being a dick now, and that this is total cherry-picking. But still.
Career Home Runs:
Riggs Stephenson: 63
S.S. Billy Williams: 426
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Auz - 12-31-2008
Billy Williams by a fair margin.
I mean he ran gas mines on Bespin and was the original pilot for the Millenium Falcon. Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs... HELLO!
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - Andy - 12-31-2008
<!--quoteo(post=7773:date=Dec 30 2008, 11:24 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 30 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Andy, I agree with you that Riggs Stephenson's numbers are excellent, but Billy Williams is the #1 Cub LFer.
In comparing their numbers, you absolutely have to account for the eras in which they played. Riggs played in the late 20's and early 30's, perhaps the greatest offensive era in MLB history.
By contrast, Billy played his prime years in the 60's, the absolute worst offensive era in MLB history (not counting the dead-ball days).
Thus, Billy's numbers, given that context, are better, even though they're quite similar to Stephenson's.
Coming from another angle, Billy played 16 seasons for the Cubs, including his entire prime. Riggs played nine. Riggs played 1,310 games in his MLB career, 978 as a Cub...Billy played 1,117 <i>in a row</i>
(at the time, the NL record), and well over a thousand more total games than the Riggmeister.
Billy's number is retired, and his flag is waving at Wrigley every day. He's a much more iconic figure in team history.
He's also a member of baseball's Hall Of Fame, which means that they think the same of him as we do.
I'm glad you brought up Riggs; it made me go look him up, and realize what a hell of a hitter he was, in his day.
But Sweet-swingin' Billy Williams is the man.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fair enough. OPS+ 130 to 133. It's not that far off. The biggest difference is that one was an on base/run creator and the other a slugger. Given that we value sluggers over obp guys, I can buy that.
I'll swap them, but Riggs isn't moving any further down than 2.
All Time Best Cubs - Left Field - veryzer - 01-05-2009
<!--quoteo(post=7787:date=Dec 31 2008, 06:40 AM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 31 2008, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=7773:date=Dec 30 2008, 11:24 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 30 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Andy, I agree with you that Riggs Stephenson's numbers are excellent, but Billy Williams is the #1 Cub LFer.
In comparing their numbers, you absolutely have to account for the eras in which they played. Riggs played in the late 20's and early 30's, perhaps the greatest offensive era in MLB history.
By contrast, Billy played his prime years in the 60's, the absolute worst offensive era in MLB history (not counting the dead-ball days).
Thus, Billy's numbers, given that context, are better, even though they're quite similar to Stephenson's.
Coming from another angle, Billy played 16 seasons for the Cubs, including his entire prime. Riggs played nine. Riggs played 1,310 games in his MLB career, 978 as a Cub...Billy played 1,117 <i>in a row</i>
(at the time, the NL record), and well over a thousand more total games than the Riggmeister.
Billy's number is retired, and his flag is waving at Wrigley every day. He's a much more iconic figure in team history.
He's also a member of baseball's Hall Of Fame, which means that they think the same of him as we do.
I'm glad you brought up Riggs; it made me go look him up, and realize what a hell of a hitter he was, in his day.
But Sweet-swingin' Billy Williams is the man.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fair enough. OPS+ 130 to 133. It's not that far off. The biggest difference is that one was an on base/run creator and the other a slugger. Given that we value sluggers over obp guys, I can buy that.
I'll swap them, but Riggs isn't moving any further down than 2.
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dude, i have a hard time putting him the top 5. the guy never played. he was good when he did play, but he never played. he was maybe the fifth best player on his own team after wilson, hartnett, hornsby, and cuyler.
the guy could hit, no doubt, but he was on the bench a lot and thats why he doesn't deserve much credit.