All Time Best Cubs - Third Base

[Andy]

Once again, a little thin.

1. Ron Santo
2. Aramis Ramirez
3. Stan Hack
4. Bill Madlock
5. Ron Cey

HM. Heinie Zimmerman

[rok]

Luis Salazar
Vance Law
Gary Scott
Kevin Leonard Orie

[Andy]

Steve Buechele
Gary Gaetti
Willie Greene
Dave Magadan
Todd Zeille

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=7399:date=Dec 29 2008, 09:32 AM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Dec 29 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Steve Buechele
Gary Gaetti
Willie Greene
Dave Magadan
Todd Zeille<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually have happy memories of all of the above except for Willie, I'm sad to say.

[kbwsb]

It's probably not as thin as it looks, because good 3rd baseman, in general, are rare. They are, by far, the least represented position in the HOF.
<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Stan Hack<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a borderline HOF candidate: career .300 hitter, slick glove man, 5-time All-Star, got MVP votes in 8 seasons. His career OPS+ of 119 compares favorably with HOF 3rd basemen Brooks Robinson (104), Pie Traynor (107), Freddie Lindstrom (109), George Kell (111), and Jimmy Collins (113).

<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Santo<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a freaking HOFer. It's a shame, really. Five-time Gold-glover, 125 OPS+ hitter...compare that to these other guys, it's laughable.

As for the Cubs, I do recall that between Santo and Aramis, we had about 35 different guys who tried to fill the position, didn't we?

One more name for ya: <!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Harry Steinfeldt<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->. The <i>other</i> guy in the Tinker-Evers-Chance infield.
Had there been an All-Star game in those days, he'd have likely been an AS...was in the NL top-ten in OPS a couple times, led the league in hits and RBI once, played in 4 World Series, had an MVP-calibre season when the Cubs won 116 games in 1906. Plus, he's the answer to a common trivia question!

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=7403:date=Dec 29 2008, 09:43 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 29 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->It's probably not as thin as it looks, because good 3rd baseman, in general, are rare. They are, by far, the least represented position in the HOF.
<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Stan Hack<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a borderline HOF candidate: career .300 hitter, slick glove man, 5-time All-Star, got MVP votes in 8 seasons. His career OPS+ of 119 compares favorably with HOF 3rd basemen Brooks Robinson (104), Pie Traynor (107), Freddie Lindstrom (109), George Kell (111), and Jimmy Collins (113).

<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Santo<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a freaking HOFer. It's a shame, really. Five-time Gold-glover, 125 OPS+ hitter...compare that to these other guys, it's laughable.

As for the Cubs, I do recall that between Santo and Aramis, we had about 35 different guys who tried to fill the position, didn't we?

One more name for ya: <!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Harry Steinfeldt<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->. The <i>other</i> guy in the Tinker-Evers-Chance infield.
Had there been an All-Star game in those days, he'd have likely been an AS...was in the NL top-ten in OPS a couple times, led the league in hits and RBI once, played in 4 World Series, had an MVP-calibre season when the Cubs won 116 games in 1906. Plus, he's the answer to a common trivia question!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


harry steinfeldt was a much better player than tinkers, evers, or chance, but he didn't get a gay poem written about him so he doesn't get in the hall of fame.


anyhoo, based on what i've seen:

1. aramis ramirez
2. ron cey
3. ryne sandberg
4. vance law.
5. bill mueller

wow is that pathetic.

ryno was thirdbaseman his first full year, so he gets a nod.
vance law gets a vote becuase he made the all star team one year at third base.
i replaced keith moreland with bill mueller. tore up his leg making a great catch, went to boston the next year and won a batting title. typical.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=7403:date=Dec 29 2008, 09:43 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 29 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->It's probably not as thin as it looks, because good 3rd baseman, in general, are rare. They are, by far, the least represented position in the HOF.
<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Stan Hack<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a borderline HOF candidate: career .300 hitter, slick glove man, 5-time All-Star, got MVP votes in 8 seasons. His career OPS+ of 119 compares favorably with HOF 3rd basemen Brooks Robinson (104), Pie Traynor (107), Freddie Lindstrom (109), George Kell (111), and Jimmy Collins (113).

<!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Santo<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc--> is a freaking HOFer. It's a shame, really. Five-time Gold-glover, 125 OPS+ hitter...compare that to these other guys, it's laughable.

As for the Cubs, I do recall that between Santo and Aramis, we had about 35 different guys who tried to fill the position, didn't we?

One more name for ya: <!--coloro:#0000FF--><!--/coloro-->Harry Steinfeldt<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->. The <i>other</i> guy in the Tinker-Evers-Chance infield.
Had there been an All-Star game in those days, he'd have likely been an AS...was in the NL top-ten in OPS a couple times, led the league in hits and RBI once, played in 4 World Series, had an MVP-calibre season when the Cubs won 116 games in 1906. Plus, he's the answer to a common trivia question!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


harry steinfeldt was a much better player than tinkers, evers, or chance, but he didn't get a gay poem written about him so he doesn't get in the hall of fame.


anyhoo, based on what i've seen:

1. aramis ramirez
2. ron cey
3. ryne sandberg
4. vnce law.
5. keith moreland

wow is that pathetic.

ryno was thirdbaseman his first full year, so he gets a nod.
vance law gets a vote becuase he made the all star team one year at third base.
keith moreland gets a vote because even though he was a brutal thirdbaseman and i think he only played there for a year, he did hit 27 home runs.

[Nexus]

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->As for the Cubs, I do recall that between Santo and Aramis, we had about 35 different guys who tried to fill the position, didn't we?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sadly it was very flavor of the month. Makes you appreciate a player like Aramis a lot more.

[kbwsb]

<!--quoteo(post=7411:date=Dec 29 2008, 10:00 AM:name=Nexus)-->QUOTE (Nexus @ Dec 29 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->As for the Cubs, I do recall that between Santo and Aramis, we had about 35 different guys who tried to fill the position, didn't we?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Sadly it was very flavor of the month. Makes you appreciate a player like Aramis a lot more.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of the many reasons that I was glad that Jim got him signed. And with a home-town discount, to boot!
Aramis has been a huge feather in Jim's cap...that still stands as the best trade of his tenure.

[Mikey]

one of my favorites that I saw play was Bill Mueller. after he slide into that wall, he wasn't the same, but he seemed like a great guy. and played well for a bit.

[Mikey]

Ron Coomer and Doug Strange [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

[cherp]

<!--quoteo(post=7411:date=Dec 29 2008, 10:00 AM:name=Nexus)-->QUOTE (Nexus @ Dec 29 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Sadly it was very flavor of the month. Makes you appreciate a player like Aramis a lot more.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I have never been as wrong in my assessment of a player as I was with Aramis. Not even close.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=7417:date=Dec 29 2008, 10:29 AM:name=Mikey)-->QUOTE (Mikey @ Dec 29 2008, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->one of my favorites that I saw play was Bill Mueller. after he slide into that wall, he wasn't the same, but he seemed like a great guy. and played well for a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


bill mueller. good call. i will amend my list.

[HTC]

<!--quoteo(post=7417:date=Dec 29 2008, 10:29 AM:name=Mikey)-->QUOTE (Mikey @ Dec 29 2008, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->one of my favorites that I saw play was Bill Mueller. after he slide into that wall, he wasn't the same, but he seemed like a great guy. and played well for a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I always liked him. He was ripping the ball until that happened.

[Destined]

Kevin Orie didn't make it? You guys forgetting his solid gold glove?