Patton

[ruby23]

So, I was over at the world's most annoying site and I actually found some info. worth passing along.

It seems that a player taken in the Rule 5 only has to be active on the MLB roster for 90 days and the player is then the property of the team that selects him, free and clear. So, here's how that applies to Patton. He's been on the club for almost 3 whole months (88 days to be exact). So, in 2 more days, the Cubs can create an injury for him and put him on the DL for the rest of the year and he will be the Cubs property in 2010, free and clear. Or they can DL him until September callups, or whatever. Either way, the days of "being forced" to carry Patton as the 12th pitcher may be coming to an end, maybe to make room for Ramirez on Monday.

[Ace]

Teams can DL a Rule V pick for the whole year if they want, technically, right? The Pirates had Veal on the DL for a very long time.

If that NSBB info is correct (first time I've ever heard that), then why couldn't the Cubs just send him to Iowa?

[Fella]

<!--quoteo(post=47714:date=Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Teams can DL a Rule V pick for the whole year if they want, technically, right? The Pirates had Veal on the DL for a very long time.

If that NSBB info is correct (first time I've ever heard that), then why couldn't the Cubs just send him to Iowa?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because you're not allowed to send him to Iowa, he has to technically be up with the big club all year, but he only has to be on the 25 man roster for 90 days, the rest of the time he can be DLed.

That rule is specifically so a team can't just DL a guy all year and keep him. Eventually he has to stay 90 days on the big league roster before he goes to the minors or he has to be sent back.

I think in Veal's case, even if he is on the DL all year this year, they will have his rights through the off-season but next year would have to get him to 90 days on the 25 man before sending him down or he would still have to be sent back.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=47726:date=Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47714:date=Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Teams can DL a Rule V pick for the whole year if they want, technically, right? The Pirates had Veal on the DL for a very long time.

If that NSBB info is correct (first time I've ever heard that), then why couldn't the Cubs just send him to Iowa?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because you're not allowed to send him to Iowa, he has to technically be up with the big club all year, but he only has to be on the 25 man roster for 90 days, the rest of the time he can be DLed.

That rule is specifically so a team can't just DL a guy all year and keep him. Eventually he has to stay 90 days on the big league roster before he goes to the minors or he has to be sent back.

I think in Veal's case, even if he is on the DL all year this year, they will have his rights through the off-season but next year would have to get him to 90 days on the 25 man before sending him down or he would still have to be sent back.
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So that all actually answers a question I had back when the Veal stuff was going on (why couldn't you just DL for the whole year), and also demonstrates that the NSBB info (or at least as Ruby described it is not quite right. It's not free and clear after 90 days. It's still the whole season. You can just DL stash for all but 90 days of the season. Cool. Good to know.

[ruby23]

<!--quoteo(post=47729:date=Jul 2 2009, 05:49 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47726:date=Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47714:date=Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Teams can DL a Rule V pick for the whole year if they want, technically, right? The Pirates had Veal on the DL for a very long time.

If that NSBB info is correct (first time I've ever heard that), then why couldn't the Cubs just send him to Iowa?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because you're not allowed to send him to Iowa, he has to technically be up with the big club all year, but he only has to be on the 25 man roster for 90 days, the rest of the time he can be DLed.

That rule is specifically so a team can't just DL a guy all year and keep him. Eventually he has to stay 90 days on the big league roster before he goes to the minors or he has to be sent back.

I think in Veal's case, even if he is on the DL all year this year, they will have his rights through the off-season but next year would have to get him to 90 days on the 25 man before sending him down or he would still have to be sent back.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

So that all actually answers a question I had back when the Veal stuff was going on (why couldn't you just DL for the whole year), and also demonstrates that the NSBB info (or at least as Ruby described it is not quite right. It's not free and clear after 90 days. It's still the whole season. You can just DL stash for all but 90 days of the season. Cool. Good to know.
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No, the NSBB info. is the same as Fella posted. I said you have to be active on the MLB roster for 90 days, active being the important word. I made no mention of being on the 25 man all year, I assumed that was just a given. Poor wording on my part, I should have copied and pasted, but I went back to find the thread an couldn't locate it.

[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=47733:date=Jul 2 2009, 08:15 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 2 2009, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47729:date=Jul 2 2009, 05:49 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47726:date=Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Jul 2 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=47714:date=Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 2 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Teams can DL a Rule V pick for the whole year if they want, technically, right? The Pirates had Veal on the DL for a very long time.

If that NSBB info is correct (first time I've ever heard that), then why couldn't the Cubs just send him to Iowa?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Because you're not allowed to send him to Iowa, he has to technically be up with the big club all year, but he only has to be on the 25 man roster for 90 days, the rest of the time he can be DLed.

That rule is specifically so a team can't just DL a guy all year and keep him. Eventually he has to stay 90 days on the big league roster before he goes to the minors or he has to be sent back.

I think in Veal's case, even if he is on the DL all year this year, they will have his rights through the off-season but next year would have to get him to 90 days on the 25 man before sending him down or he would still have to be sent back.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

So that all actually answers a question I had back when the Veal stuff was going on (why couldn't you just DL for the whole year), and also demonstrates that the NSBB info (or at least as Ruby described it is not quite right. It's not free and clear after 90 days. It's still the whole season. You can just DL stash for all but 90 days of the season. Cool. Good to know.
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No, the NSBB info. is the same as Fella posted. I said you have to be active on the MLB roster for 90 days, active being the important word. I made no mention of being on the 25 man all year, I assumed that was just a given. Poor wording on my part, I should have copied and pasted, but I went back to find the thread an couldn't locate it.
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Yeah, this is what threw me off:

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->It seems that a player taken in the Rule 5 only has to be active on the MLB roster for 90 days and the player is then the property of the team that selects him, free and clear.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->