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dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.
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I'm not so sure about an extension just yet. He moves around very well still, so I think he still has 3 or 4 more productive years left in him. The neck bothers me though.
Honestly, I could see him playing out his contract and retiring though. He strikes me as a family man and with his second child being born, he may want to spend some time with his wife and kids.
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I agree. I just hope this isn't the last really good season he has in him. It would be nice if he signed one final short extension here and then retired.
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<!--quoteo(post=63990:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See Tom, this is the exact thinking that gets GMs in trouble. Lee is great and he's had a fantastic season. But there is no way we should offer him an extension prior to the end of his contract next season. After next season we may have a prospect ready to take over (Vitters won't stay at 3B). Lee will be 35 years old which is when nearly all players are in the middle of a major decline. Giving Lee an extension prior to the end of next season would be based on emotion and irresponsible. Now if Lee puts up a similar season in 2010, than I think we should offer him at maximum, a two year deal.
And nobody but Pujols should be getting MVP consideration. His season is far an away better than any other player in the NL.
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<!--quoteo(post=63996:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63990:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See Tom, this is the exact thinking that gets GMs in trouble. Lee is great and he's had a fantastic season. But there is no way we should offer him an extension prior to the end of his contract next season. After next season we may have a prospect ready to take over (Vitters won't stay at 3B). Lee will be 35 years old which is when nearly all players are in the middle of a major decline. Giving Lee an extension prior to the end of next season would be based on emotion and irresponsible. Now if Lee puts up a similar season in 2010, than I think we should offer him at maximum, a two year deal.
And nobody but Pujols should be getting MVP consideration. His season is far an away better than any other player in the NL.
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Nobody other than Pujols is going to win the MVP but that doesn't mean that Lee can't be at least considered.
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<!--quoteo(post=63998:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM:name=Jody)-->QUOTE (Jody @ Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63996:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63990:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See Tom, this is the exact thinking that gets GMs in trouble. Lee is great and he's had a fantastic season. But there is no way we should offer him an extension prior to the end of his contract next season. After next season we may have a prospect ready to take over (Vitters won't stay at 3B). Lee will be 35 years old which is when nearly all players are in the middle of a major decline. Giving Lee an extension prior to the end of next season would be based on emotion and irresponsible. Now if Lee puts up a similar season in 2010, than I think we should offer him at maximum, a two year deal.
And nobody but Pujols should be getting MVP consideration. His season is far an away better than any other player in the NL.
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Nobody other than Pujols is going to win the MVP but that doesn't mean that Lee can't be at least considered.
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exactly. i didn't say he would win it, i'm just saying that if the cubs were running away with the division and the cardinals were treading water, lee would HAVE to get consideration.
the other points are valid. i wasn't necessarily saying right this minute, but by the allstar break next year? sure thing.
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<!--quoteo(post=63998:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM:name=Jody)-->QUOTE (Jody @ Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63996:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63990:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See Tom, this is the exact thinking that gets GMs in trouble. Lee is great and he's had a fantastic season. But there is no way we should offer him an extension prior to the end of his contract next season. After next season we may have a prospect ready to take over (Vitters won't stay at 3B). Lee will be 35 years old which is when nearly all players are in the middle of a major decline. Giving Lee an extension prior to the end of next season would be based on emotion and irresponsible. Now if Lee puts up a similar season in 2010, than I think we should offer him at maximum, a two year deal.
And nobody but Pujols should be getting MVP consideration. His season is far an away better than any other player in the NL.
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Nobody other than Pujols is going to win the MVP but that doesn't mean that Lee can't be at least considered.
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Sure, if by "consider" you ask yourself if Lee is having the best year in the NL and you answer yourself "no."
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I don't get it. Oh wait...is Lee black? wtf?
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<!--quoteo(post=64005:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:39 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Sep 22 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63998:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM:name=Jody)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jody @ Sep 22 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63996:date=Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Sep 22 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=63990:date=Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->dlee is quietly having a monster season. if the cubs were in contention, i would think he'd be getting some mvp consideration. last night he tied his career high in rbi, he's batting over .300 and he's playing the same gold glove calibre 1st base he always has.
on top of that, he's a class act, a leader, and a role model. the fact he's accomplished all this under the intense racial scrutiny of wrigley field is a testament to his character and courage.
i for one, would love to see him finish out his career here. extension? absolutely.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See Tom, this is the exact thinking that gets GMs in trouble. Lee is great and he's had a fantastic season. But there is no way we should offer him an extension prior to the end of his contract next season. After next season we may have a prospect ready to take over (Vitters won't stay at 3B). Lee will be 35 years old which is when nearly all players are in the middle of a major decline. Giving Lee an extension prior to the end of next season would be based on emotion and irresponsible. Now if Lee puts up a similar season in 2010, than I think we should offer him at maximum, a two year deal.
And nobody but Pujols should be getting MVP consideration. His season is far an away better than any other player in the NL.
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and since when does best season = mvp?
one more time: IF the cubs were in first place, lee would get CONSIDERATION. there is nothing outlandish about that statement.
Nobody other than Pujols is going to win the MVP but that doesn't mean that Lee can't be at least considered.
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Sure, if by "consider" you ask yourself if Lee is having the best year in the NL and you answer yourself "no."
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I would like him to finish his career with the Cubs. Hopefully it's at a high level when he does. Call me crazy, but to Lee I'll be loyal.
Same with Zambrano and Ramirez.
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Same with Zambrano and Ramirez.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yep. I can't stay mad at any of those guys for very long. I know they all try their best (all things considered) and I know it bothers them when we lose. I also know that unlike some people, they're proud to play for this team, and that's all you can ask for.
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I used to argue that MVP didn't mean simply "best." If you were the best...but on a loaded team...then your year may not have made a difference...and if you were the best but on a last place team...then it clearly made no difference. What was your VALUE? It should go to the player who's excellence made the most difference to his team.
I gave up. It always goes to the best player (in people's opinions) regardless of whether it added any value.
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<!--quoteo(post=64023:date=Sep 22 2009, 12:26 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Sep 22 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I used to argue that MVP didn't mean simply "best." If you were the best...but on a loaded team...then your year may not have made a difference...and if you were the best but on a last place team...then it clearly made no difference. What was your VALUE? It should go to the player who's excellence made the most difference to his team.
I gave up. It always goes to the best player (in people's opinions) regardless of whether it added any value.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah that's why I've always though Baseball should do something like the NFL. Have the Cy Young for best pitcher, have a best offensive player award named after some hall of fame hitter and then have the MVP separately. Then you can give awards for the "best" and for the "most valuable"
Voters wouldn't feel obligated to vote for hitters only on the MVP ballot that way too.
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<!--quoteo(post=64023:date=Sep 22 2009, 01:26 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Sep 22 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I used to argue that MVP didn't mean simply "best." If you were the best...but on a loaded team...then your year may not have made a difference...and if you were the best but on a last place team...then it clearly made no difference. What was your VALUE? It should go to the player who's excellence made the most difference to his team.
I gave up. It always goes to the best player (in people's opinions) regardless of whether it added any value.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there have been many examples of the best player in the league not winning an mvp. most of the time (not all of the time) the mvp comes from a contending team, whether that player had the best year or not.
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