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The more I hear about this kid, the more I want to see how he develops. Either that, or I want something spectacular in return.
I know he's been discussed a lot in the minor league thread, but he's only 19 and he's our top prospect (and not just because we're the Cubs).
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How has Starlin Castro risen from mid of pack prospect to top prospect..lack of depth in Cubs system or what??
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<b>He's that talented. The Cubs are amassing some nice depth in their system, too.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Man, that's good to hear.
Fuck Granderson for Castro. Fuck that trade all night long.
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Thank you Tim Wilken. We are one draft away from being a top five minor league system.
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That's what I'm talking about. It's just nice to see some depth finally down in the minors.
I really like what I'm hearing about LeMahieu as well. He could turn into a nice offensive player and decent middle IF.
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Perhaps I need to take back all the bad things I said about Wilken. It seems he may have turned things around...
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We may not even need that. Some of the young guys that were signed/drafted this year haven't had a chance to make much noise yet. Guys like Kim, Na, the Wangs, Conteras, Kirk, Rusin, Darvill, Raley, Burruel, McNutt, and others could be the "next" Castro. It will be interesting to see how they develop.
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Heh-heh huh heh huh-huh.
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Heh-heh huh heh huh-huh.
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Fucker, beat me to it.
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Trade him before he sucks.
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I'm not sure why anyone was down on Wilken...from everything i've heard he's a pretty good judge of talent. As far as I know he was fairly highly regarded.
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<!--quoteo(post=69501:date=Nov 18 2009, 07:08 PM:name=funkster)-->QUOTE (funkster @ Nov 18 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm not sure why anyone was down on Wilken...from everything i've heard he's a pretty good judge of talent. As far as I know he was fairly highly regarded.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because, like all draft-pickers, he's made some mistakes. It's a tough business. Wilken's mistakes tend to be high-profile, headline-grabbing ones though (the absurd Colvin pick, passing on Matt Weiters, etc.) so if you have a bone to pick with him, he's an easy target.
But whoever got the Cubs to start mining Latin America and Korea should get a medal...that's where we're really kicking ass.
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<!--quoteo(post=69507:date=Nov 18 2009, 07:42 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Nov 18 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69501:date=Nov 18 2009, 07:08 PM:name=funkster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (funkster @ Nov 18 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm not sure why anyone was down on Wilken...from everything i've heard he's a pretty good judge of talent. As far as I know he was fairly highly regarded.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because, like all draft-pickers, he's made some mistakes. It's a tough business. Wilken's mistakes tend to be high-profile, headline-grabbing ones though (the absurd Colvin pick, passing on Matt Weiters, etc.) so if you have a bone to pick with him, he's an easy target.
But whoever got the Cubs to start mining Latin America and Korea should get a medal...that's where we're really kicking ass.
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I can't go through this with you again KB. I love you man, but the only thing "absurd" is your tenacity in knocking the Colvin pick, and your willingness to alfuckingready call picking a guy who is TWENTY FUCKING YEARS OLD, a "mistake". Weiters over Vitters looks bad now, but since Vitters was drafted out of high school, and Weiters was drafted out of college, how about we give it a few years before we sadly shake our heads at Wilken's stupidity?
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Most legit baseball/minor league experts/scouts consider Weiters the single best prospect on earth. Please argue with them, not me. (fwiw, I like Vitters, and am a big fan).
As for Colvin, I know we've been through this 1,000 times before; you will defend the pick to the death. I do admire your tenacity. And I suppose that using the 14th overall pick on a guy who's <i>ceiling</i> is 4th OFer may seem like a brainy talent investment, but I have a right to disagree. It's a free country.
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As for Colvin, I know we've been through this 1,000 times before; you will defend the pick to the death. I do admire your tenacity. And I suppose that using the 14th overall pick on a guy who's <i>ceiling</i> is 4th OFer may seem like a brainy talent investment, but I have a right to disagree. It's a free country.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there are times where I simply have to believe that you are fucking with me. Because if the above statement is supposed to be what you actually think, I might have to fucking kill myself.
I explain myself over and over to you, and it has no effect. None. It's almost incalculably annoying. Please, for the love of all that's holy, read this, and try to remember it.
I am not saying using the 14th pick on a 4th outfielder is a brainy talent investment. Because I'm not a fucking moron. I AM saying that you are taking a pick, in which ZERO MOTHERFUCKING SUBSEQUENT PICKS have established themselves as legitimate major leaguers, is not by definition an "absurd" mistake. It is, at worst, what a vast majority of first round picks turn out to be. A miss. It fucking happens all the time ALL THE FUCKING TIME. How fucking tough is this for you to understand?
Not ONE person picked after him in the first round is a sure fire major leaguer. There are better prospects than Colvin, picked after him, to be sure. Again. This happens all the fucking time.
Do you understand this? CAN you understand this? A first round miss is not an absurd pick. Does that make any sense to you? I'm sorry to keep repeating myself, but I'm almost certain we will have this same fucking argument in which you twist my point into something not even resembling what I'm saying again in about 2 months.
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At the time of the draft, Vitters was ranked higher than Weiters (I was hoping to pick Weiters though). Vitters was ranked as having the best bat, best eye and best potential so I cannot fault Wilkens for picking him. He was the best pick come Cubs pick.
I have to say I was very puzzled with the Colvin pick but I think the reasoning behind it was to get a cheapish first round pick then go for the more expensive picks at the back end of the draft - Shark etc. Roll of the dice and looked like it may have failed. But I haven't given up on the Shark yet. He is still raw and could end up an effective reliever.
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Not trying to take sides or split hairs but both of this year's ROY's came from the 2006 draft and were selected after Colvin.. Bailey and Coughlan both...
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