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I'm kind of surprised they haven't come up with a expected vs received type of production scale for all the prognosticators out there.
So like, from 2006-2010 Team A was considered #1 for their Farm System by BA, with players #1 - 50 being in the mix. Players 1 - 50 actually panned out to have 1 All Star, 3 Above Average, 4 Average and the rest either didn't make it or sucked. They'd get XX points for their farm system over that time frame. And compare that way. It would be far more useful to me than to what BA guesses they'll be.
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<!--quoteo(post=130132:date=Feb 14 2011, 01:49 PM:name=Andy)-->QUOTE (Andy @ Feb 14 2011, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm kind of surprised they haven't come up with a expected vs received type of production scale for all the prognosticators out there.
So like, from 2006-2010 Team A was considered #1 for their Farm System by BA, with players #1 - 50 being in the mix. Players 1 - 50 actually panned out to have 1 All Star, 3 Above Average, 4 Average and the rest either didn't make it or sucked. They'd get XX points for their farm system over that time frame. And compare that way. It would be far more useful to me than to what BA guesses they'll be.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it would be interesting to look at, but I don't know how much it would help in predicting success going forward. By the time you're able to evaluate some of the prospects of these teams, there's probably a decent amount of turnover in the front office or the minor league development staff. Still, it would be fun to look at that stuff.
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Kevin Goldstein's Organizational Rankings at BP
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
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Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Don't we need a 2011 thread? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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He did haikus for each team.
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<!--quoteo(post=132372:date=Mar 2 2011, 06:16 PM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 2 2011, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=132307:date=Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=132298:date=Mar 2 2011, 01:36 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Mar 2 2011, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--> Kevin Goldstein's Organizational Rankings at BP
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
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<!--quoteo(post=132374:date=Mar 2 2011, 06:27 PM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Mar 2 2011, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=132372:date=Mar 2 2011, 06:16 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Mar 2 2011, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=132307:date=Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Mar 2 2011, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=132298:date=Mar 2 2011, 01:36 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Mar 2 2011, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--> Kevin Goldstein's Organizational Rankings at BP
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
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What I am saying
Is the ranking and reason
Suggest no effort
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
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What I am saying
Is the ranking and reason
Suggest no effort
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He already did 3,000 word essays on every single team with scouting reports on every top 11 prospect of each team.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
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Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I am saying
Is the ranking and reason
Suggest no effort
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He already did 3,000 word essays on every single team with scouting reports on every top 11 prospect of each team.
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Sigh - I know. I'm saying that the ranking (23rd after being near the top 10) and the rationale for the huge drop (loss of a few of the better prospects) are lazy. Any idiot can say "gee willackers, the Cubs traded for Matt Garza, so they must suck now." In absolutely no universe is the Cubs' farm system, in total, the 8th worst in baseball. It's utterly ludicrous, particularly after the Gorzelanny trade (specifically Burgess), signing Szczur and signing the two new Cuban players. Those replace, or come close to replacing, the guys lost in the Garza deal.
Sorry I couldn't do it in a haiku.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I am saying
Is the ranking and reason
Suggest no effort
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He already did 3,000 word essays on every single team with scouting reports on every top 11 prospect of each team.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sigh - I know. I'm saying that the ranking (23rd after being near the top 10) and the rationale for the huge drop (loss of a few of the better prospects) are lazy. Any idiot can say "gee willackers, the Cubs traded for Matt Garza, so they must suck now." In absolutely no universe is the Cubs' farm system, in total, the 8th worst in baseball. It's utterly ludicrous, particularly after the Gorzelanny trade (specifically Burgess), signing Szczur and signing the two new Cuban players. Those replace, or come close to replacing, the guys lost in the Garza deal.
Sorry I couldn't do it in a haiku.
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I'd also add that the single WORST critique of the Cubs minor league system is questioning it's depth. If the system has anything going for it, it's the plethora of 3 and 4 star prospects remaining. You can ding them for not being top heavy, but to say that depth is a problem is ridiculous.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->23. Chicago Cubs
Garza plunders depth
Wasn't so good to start with
Sign more football stars!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Well, that's just ridiculous.
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Completely indefensible and lazy.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not so much lazy
haikus are so hard to write
I couldn't do it
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I am saying
Is the ranking and reason
Suggest no effort
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He already did 3,000 word essays on every single team with scouting reports on every top 11 prospect of each team.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sigh - I know. I'm saying that the ranking (23rd after being near the top 10) and the rationale for the huge drop (loss of a few of the better prospects) are lazy. Any idiot can say "gee willackers, the Cubs traded for Matt Garza, so they must suck now." In absolutely no universe is the Cubs' farm system, in total, the 8th worst in baseball. It's utterly ludicrous, particularly after the Gorzelanny trade (specifically Burgess), signing Szczur and signing the two new Cuban players. Those replace, or come close to replacing, the guys lost in the Garza deal.
Sorry I couldn't do it in a haiku.
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I'd also add that the single WORST critique of the Cubs minor league system is questioning it's depth. If the system has anything going for it, it's the plethora of 3 and 4 star prospects remaining. You can ding them for not being top heavy, but to say that depth is a problem is ridiculous.
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And it's even more ridiculous when the primary compliment you gave the Cubs when reviewing them was DEPTH. Seriously, I'm annoyed.
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I usually like Goldstein but this is just asinine.
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<!--quoteo(post=132518:date=Mar 3 2011, 04:21 PM:name=funkster)-->QUOTE (funkster @ Mar 3 2011, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I usually like Goldstein but this is just asinine.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I respect his baseball knowledge but he seems like a bit of a smug dickhead a times, and doesn't seem to give us that much respect usually. Just like Keith Law. That's at least what I've noticed.
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