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<!--quoteo(post=92100:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:49 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92098:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92097:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92091:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:43 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 22 2010, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92086:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:38 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said that.
I'm confident that Z would pitch like he has the last 3 starts and the 1st start was an aberation. That has nothing to do with what Sipes said.
He said replacing Z's production with Lilly's is at worst an even trade off, at best an improvement. Silva and Gorzelanny's production have not been a detriment so far and will hopefully stay the same. <b>Meanwhile, Z will pitch out of the bullpen and should improve the relief corp.</b> So all around, the Cubs just got better. This all falls through if one of Gorzelanny or Silva start sucking though. Sipes just offered up an optimistic way of looking at it.
It's not the best percentage move, but I think Lou is going to try to ride out Gorzelanny and Silva's hot starts as long as he can. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to jump out my office window because the 2010 sesason is ruined. At worst, one of those guys starts sucking and Zambrano will be reinserted into the rotation. I guess Lou could give them each 5 starts or shitastic pitching before yanking them, but I don't think that will be the case personally.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm worried he will absolutely suck out of the pen.
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That's always a possibility, but I don't understand why he would pitch well in the rotation and badly as a reliever.
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Because it takes him a while to settle in usually?
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His best two innings statistically over his career have been his first and second.
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<!--quoteo(post=92100:date=Apr 22 2010, 11:49 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92098:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92097:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92091:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:43 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 22 2010, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92086:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:38 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I never said that.
I'm confident that Z would pitch like he has the last 3 starts and the 1st start was an aberation. That has nothing to do with what Sipes said.
He said replacing Z's production with Lilly's is at worst an even trade off, at best an improvement. Silva and Gorzelanny's production have not been a detriment so far and will hopefully stay the same. <b>Meanwhile, Z will pitch out of the bullpen and should improve the relief corp.</b> So all around, the Cubs just got better. This all falls through if one of Gorzelanny or Silva start sucking though. Sipes just offered up an optimistic way of looking at it.
It's not the best percentage move, but I think Lou is going to try to ride out Gorzelanny and Silva's hot starts as long as he can. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to jump out my office window because the 2010 sesason is ruined. At worst, one of those guys starts sucking and Zambrano will be reinserted into the rotation. I guess Lou could give them each 5 starts or shitastic pitching before yanking them, but I don't think that will be the case personally.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm worried he will absolutely suck out of the pen.
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That's always a possibility, but I don't understand why he would pitch well in the rotation and badly as a reliever.
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Because it takes him a while to settle in usually?
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His best two innings statistically over his career have been his first and second.
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I did read somewhere though that he walks more batters in the first than any other inning, which wouldn't be good out of the pen.
Anyway, I think Z will be pretty damn good out of the pen, but it doesn't mean I want him there. I think we're going to see more of a "power" Z than a "sinker" Z. But, we'll see I guess.
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That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
His first 15 pitches are BY FAR his worst splits over his entire career.
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<!--quoteo(post=92124:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:15 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 22 2010, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92122:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:13 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92121:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:11 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 22 2010, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92112:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92094:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just so we have this straight, when the Tribune sold the Cubs, the new management decided to keep BT on the staff. That's pretty much all I've learned from this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?
You turned me around Ruby.
FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!
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FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!
do I fit in now?
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No, being pro-management on every issue makes you pro-management. That's the way it's always been buckeroo.
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Explain how I'm Pro-management on this? Is saying management is not a bunch of drooling fucking morons the same thing as being pro-management?
I'll say this again, so maybe you will understand, I don't think this is the right move. I simply don't think it's as indefensible as everyone on here is making it.
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Trying for even one second to rationalize it is indefensible.
And for the record, I generally agree with you that things get blown way out of proportion here, but this not one of those times. Not even close.
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So arguing that it's possible that management has an actual reason for what they are doing (regardless if I agree with that reason) is not only "pro-management", but it's indefensible?
it's fairly easy to rationalize it Ruby.
-Moving Silva takes our (current) best starter out of the rotation.
-Moving Gorz make our primary setup man a lefty (Marshall), AND does absolutely nothing to change our late inning bullpen, since Marshall (who let up 2 runs in the 8th yesterday, by the way) is already in the bullpen.
Now you can think that either of these scenarios is preferable to moving Zambrano (and I'd probably favor moving Gorz), and that's fine, but to act as if the choice is so clearly black and white that anyone who sees it differently is brain dead, is absurd. To argue that it's simply inarguable, is absurd. And to argue that anyone who points out these rationalizations is "pro-management", is absurd.
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<!--quoteo(post=92128:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
His first 15 pitches are BY FAR his worst splits over his entire career.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where did you get those stats? 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA with a 6.47 ERA seems impossible.
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So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?
You turned me around Ruby.
FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!
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FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!
do I fit in now?
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No, being pro-management on every issue makes you pro-management. That's the way it's always been buckeroo.
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Explain how I'm Pro-management on this? Is saying management is not a bunch of drooling fucking morons the same thing as being pro-management?
I'll say this again, so maybe you will understand, I don't think this is the right move. I simply don't think it's as indefensible as everyone on here is making it.
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Trying for even one second to rationalize it is indefensible.
And for the record, I generally agree with you that things get blown way out of proportion here, but this not one of those times. Not even close.
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So arguing that it's possible that management has an actual reason for what they are doing (regardless if I agree with that reason) is not only "pro-management", but it's indefensible?
it's fairly easy to rationalize it Ruby.
-Moving Silva takes our (current) best starter out of the rotation.
-Moving Gorz make our primary setup man a lefty (Marshall), AND does absolutely nothing to change our late inning bullpen, since Marshall (who let up 2 runs in the 8th yesterday, by the way) is already in the bullpen.
Now you can think that either of these scenarios is preferable to moving Zambrano (and I'd probably favor moving Gorz), and that's fine, but to act as if the choice is so clearly black and white that anyone who sees it differently is brain dead, is absurd. To argue that it's simply inarguable, is absurd. And to argue that anyone who points out these rationalizations is "pro-management", is absurd.
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You being pro-management is represented by your body of work, this instance is merely a blip on your pro-management radar.
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So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?
You turned me around Ruby.
FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!
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FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!
do I fit in now?
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No, being pro-management on every issue makes you pro-management. That's the way it's always been buckeroo.
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Explain how I'm Pro-management on this? Is saying management is not a bunch of drooling fucking morons the same thing as being pro-management?
I'll say this again, so maybe you will understand, I don't think this is the right move. I simply don't think it's as indefensible as everyone on here is making it.
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Trying for even one second to rationalize it is indefensible.
And for the record, I generally agree with you that things get blown way out of proportion here, but this not one of those times. Not even close.
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So arguing that it's possible that management has an actual reason for what they are doing (regardless if I agree with that reason) is not only "pro-management", but it's indefensible?
it's fairly easy to rationalize it Ruby.
-Moving Silva takes our (current) best starter out of the rotation.
-Moving Gorz make our primary setup man a lefty (Marshall), AND does absolutely nothing to change our late inning bullpen, since Marshall (who let up 2 runs in the 8th yesterday, by the way) is already in the bullpen.
Now you can think that either of these scenarios is preferable to moving Zambrano (and I'd probably favor moving Gorz), and that's fine, but to act as if the choice is so clearly black and white that anyone who sees it differently is brain dead, is absurd. To argue that it's simply inarguable, is absurd. And to argue that anyone who points out these rationalizations is "pro-management", is absurd.
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You being pro-management is represented by your body of work, this instance is merely a blip on your pro-management radar.
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I see. Well, in the future I will try to take the brave sports message board position that the manager/gm is wrong. I know that opinion is tough to find.
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<!--quoteo(post=92130:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92128:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
His first 15 pitches are BY FAR his worst splits over his entire career.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where did you get those stats? 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA with a 6.47 ERA seems impossible.
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Those stats have to be wrong. Unless pitch 16-25 has been unhittable for Zambrano.
pitch count splits
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IF a trade is imminent, and IF Z does not see this as a demotion some kind, and IF he can return to the starting lineup with no issue/difficulty, then I will show my appreciation for Hendry and Pinella's McCain-esque "Maverick" behavior and your perspicacity for being able to see the bright side of this decidedly odd move by lining the three of you up and doing my best impression of Ginger Lynn-cum-a-circus seal.
I mean, hey, I always own up to being wrong.
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<!--quoteo(post=92134:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92130:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92128:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
His first 15 pitches are BY FAR his worst splits over his entire career.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where did you get those stats? 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA with a 6.47 ERA seems impossible.
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Those stats have to be wrong. Unless pitch 16-25 has been unhittable for Zambrano.
pitch count splits
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Sorry, had to get a last minute project done.
Look at the bottom:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6559/s...p;type=Pitching
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<!--quoteo(post=92112:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92094:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just so we have this straight, when the Tribune sold the Cubs, the new management decided to keep BT on the staff. That's pretty much all I've learned from this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?
You turned me around Ruby.
FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!
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FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!
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Wow dude. You've gone off the deep end.
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<!--quoteo(post=92147:date=Apr 22 2010, 02:41 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92134:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92130:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92128:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
His first 15 pitches are BY FAR his worst splits over his entire career.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where did you get those stats? 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA with a 6.47 ERA seems impossible.
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Those stats have to be wrong. Unless pitch 16-25 has been unhittable for Zambrano.
pitch count splits
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Sorry, had to get a last minute project done.
Look at the bottom:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6559/s...p;type=Pitching
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Between Yahoo and Baseball Reference, somebody's numbers are wrong. Yahoo shows he's given up 144 runs during pitches 1-15 while baseball referrence shows that he's given up 121 total runs during pitches 1-25.
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<!--quoteo(post=92148:date=Apr 22 2010, 02:44 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Apr 22 2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92112:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92094:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just so we have this straight, when the Tribune sold the Cubs, the new management decided to keep BT on the staff. That's pretty much all I've learned from this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?
You turned me around Ruby.
FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!
also
FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!
do I fit in now?
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Wow dude. You've gone off the deep end.
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But the questions is... does he fit in?
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<!--quoteo(post=92150:date=Apr 22 2010, 02:57 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92147:date=Apr 22 2010, 02:41 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92134:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92130:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Apr 22 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92128:date=Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Apr 22 2010, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->That may be true, but chew on this:
Z Pitch 1-15: 6.47 ERA / 11 HR/ 85 BB/ 166 K / 135 ER / 187.2 IP
His 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA aren't bad though.
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Where did you get those stats? 1.24 WHIP and .213 BAA with a 6.47 ERA seems impossible.
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Those stats have to be wrong. Unless pitch 16-25 has been unhittable for Zambrano.
pitch count splits
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Sorry, had to get a last minute project done.
Look at the bottom:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6559/s...p;type=Pitching
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Between Yahoo and Baseball Reference, somebody's numbers are wrong. Yahoo shows he's given up 144 runs during pitches 1-15 while baseball referrence shows that he's given up 121 total runs during pitches 1-25.
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Then there is a distinct possibility that Yahoo is wrong, as I trust BR more. It's too bad they aren't using the same pitch count segments to break things down.
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Sorry, had to get a last minute project done.
Look at the bottom:
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Between Yahoo and Baseball Reference, somebody's numbers are wrong. Yahoo shows he's given up 144 runs during pitches 1-15 while baseball referrence shows that he's given up 121 total runs during pitches 1-25.
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Then there is a distinct possibility that Yahoo is wrong, as I trust BR more. It's too bad they aren't using the same pitch count segments to break things down.
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SI uses STATS and is closer to (but not exactly the same as) Yahoo.
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