Hendry's Failures...

[Dirk]

WAR. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
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Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.

[BT]

Perhaps WAR isn't a billion times better than ERA+, but it's close. I doubt that in his heart of hearts Ace thinks that ERA+ is a very good indicator of what someone should be paid. However, if that is the case, then everyone needs to shut the fuck up about Grabow, as his ERA+ the last 2 years was the cat's pajamas.


(please note, I don't think Grabow should be paid lots of money because of his ERA+).

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=101728:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:48 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Perhaps WAR isn't a billion times better than ERA+, but it's close. I doubt that in his heart of hearts Ace thinks that ERA+ is a very good indicator of what someone should be paid. However, if that is the case, then everyone needs to shut the fuck up about Grabow, as his ERA+ the last 2 years was the cat's pajamas.


(please note, I don't think Grabow should be paid lots of money because of his ERA+).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet somehow, I picked the <i>one </i>example that <i>you </i>cited (Marquis over Marmol) and showed that WAR isn't all that spectacular. Weird.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=101724:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
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Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.
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Thanks Tom. Can you clear something up for me though? Which formula are you currently using?

Douchebaggery=endless comedy

or

Douchebaggery= cleverness?


Or am I to assume that since you never actually make an argument, that you think repetitively marginalizing my opinion is just what the site needs?

Either way, it's pure genius.

[BT]

<!--quoteo(post=101730:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:51 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 16 2010, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101728:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:48 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Perhaps WAR isn't a billion times better than ERA+, but it's close. I doubt that in his heart of hearts Ace thinks that ERA+ is a very good indicator of what someone should be paid. However, if that is the case, then everyone needs to shut the fuck up about Grabow, as his ERA+ the last 2 years was the cat's pajamas.


(please note, I don't think Grabow should be paid lots of money because of his ERA+).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet somehow, I picked the <i>one </i>example that <i>you </i>cited (Marquis over Marmol) and showed that WAR isn't all that spectacular. Weird.
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yeah, weird. I could argue this as well, but I think I'm done arguing with you for a while. I don't feel as if it's getting me anywhere.

I'll just wait for more japery from Tom.

[vitaminB]

<!--quoteo(post=101734:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101724:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Thanks Tom. Can you clear something up for me though? Which formula are you currently using?

Douchebaggery=endless comedy

or

Douchebaggery= cleverness?


Or am I to assume that since you never actually make an argument, that you think repetitively marginalizing my opinion is just what the site needs?

Either way, it's pure genius.
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It's called humor, fag. And it's more fun to read than the pages and pages of stat arguing drivel you tend to add.

[HTC]

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[jstraw]

Where's the I'm-setting-up-my-lawn-chair emoticon?

[kbwsb]

I <i>like</i> BT's arguments, even though I rarely agree with them. I actually wonder if HE really believes them, or if he's just taking up a contrary position.

But his posts are usually well though-out, and often backed up with excellent statistical evidence.
Like I said, I disagree with him, but I respect him.

And I've kept quiet about the Jason Marquis posts, simply because I don't think he's the best example of Hendry's lunacy when it comes to signing free agents. He was signed for too many years, perhaps, but we<i> knew</i> he was meant to be a decent innings-eater, nothing more, nothing less, and that's what we got. I kinda liked him.

Focusing on the Marquis signing when talking about Hendry's FA debacles is like saying Charles Manson has bad breath; sure it may be somewhat true, but you're focusing on a molehill when there are Mt. Everests <i>everywhere</i>.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=101755:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101734:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101724:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Thanks Tom. Can you clear something up for me though? Which formula are you currently using?

Douchebaggery=endless comedy

or

Douchebaggery= cleverness?


Or am I to assume that since you never actually make an argument, that you think repetitively marginalizing my opinion is just what the site needs?

Either way, it's pure genius.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's called humor, fag. And it's more fun to read than the pages and pages of stat arguing drivel you tend to add.
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I like this response, except I wouldn't ever call you a fag, or if I did, it would be in jest.

And I'm not marginalizing your opinion, I'm agreeing with it.

And truthfully, I've spent a long time explaining my dislike for Lou and Hendry and you've always responded with countless reasons why I'm wrong. If you can't beat them, join them.....

[Bricklayer]

<!--quoteo(post=101755:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101734:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101724:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Thanks Tom. Can you clear something up for me though? Which formula are you currently using?

Douchebaggery=endless comedy

or

Douchebaggery= cleverness?


Or am I to assume that since you never actually make an argument, that you think repetitively marginalizing my opinion is just what the site needs?

Either way, it's pure genius.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's called humor, fag. And it's more fun to read than the pages and pages of stat arguing drivel you tend to add.

<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Wow, vitamindouchebag with a real zinger.

[Butcher]

<!--quoteo(post=101755:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jun 16 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101734:date=Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101724:date=Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 16 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101646:date=Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101509:date=Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 15 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I said it once and I'll say it again, I think Hendry (and Lou) should not only be retained, but they should be extended. Seriously. How can anyone argue with the results? I'll even take it a step further and say that I wish the Tribune would have stayed on as owners. Continuity trumps winning any day.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Tom, make an argument, or don't. This shit is getting beyond tiresome.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Make an argument? I'm on your side. Hendry is a good GM, Lou is a good manager, and Russell Brand is a great actor. You've convinced me on all accounts. You're very persuasive.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Thanks Tom. Can you clear something up for me though? Which formula are you currently using?

Douchebaggery=endless comedy

or

Douchebaggery= cleverness?


Or am I to assume that since you never actually make an argument, that you think repetitively marginalizing my opinion is just what the site needs?

Either way, it's pure genius.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's called humor, fag. And it's more fun to read than the pages and pages of stat arguing drivel you tend to add.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That was...unexpected.

[biggz]

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[Ace]

<!--quoteo(post=101645:date=Jun 16 2010, 09:40 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jun 16 2010, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101574:date=Jun 15 2010, 08:52 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jun 15 2010, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Just a brief moment to do what BT was offering we could do: I take issue with any "stat" that says Jason Marquis' performance with the Cubs was worth more than $7 million per year. His ERA plus in those two years was 100 and 102. That makes him almost perfectly average. Is an average starting pitcher worth $7 million? I say no.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's got nothing to do with what "BT was offering we could do". I have nothing to do with Fangraphs valuations. They are based on WAR, which is about a billion times better stat than ERA.
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Here's what you offered we could do:

<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->You can argue with their $$ valuations I suppose, but you can't argue with WAR, and WAR says these guys are better than replacement players.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's all I was doing, homey. I was "argu[ing] with their $$ valuations." No need to be defensive.

If their $$ valuations are based on WAR, and their $$ valuations are total garbage (I'm just saying if), then it really casts a pall over WAR, no?